Worshipping GH

Thirteenthorder · July 25, 2009, 03:40:08 PM

Do you guys think GH is something to be truly worshipped as it is currently in our VG culture, and if so do you think it will die down any time soon?

.:DL:. · July 25, 2009, 04:54:07 PM

Considering the fact that the GH fan base is immense, I don't think it'll die down anytime soon.

Although, Activision is overdoing it with as many as 3-5 GH releases a year with most of them being pointless or just containing songs from old games, like GH Smash Hits has done.

Thirteenthorder · July 25, 2009, 05:05:43 PM

This I agree on. Many of the releases just add songs, which could easily be done via PSN or 360 Marketplace.

RX-78-2 · July 28, 2009, 01:02:38 PM

Quote from: Thirteenthorder on July 25, 2009, 03:40:08 PM
Do you guys think GH is something to be truly worshipped as it is currently in our VG culture, and if so do you think it will die down any time soon?

Whose worshiping? Is there a Guitar Hero religion? Some people say that I'm obsessed with it, but I don't worship the games.

But yeah, they better release ALL of the Guitar Hero [One] songs for Smash Hits. I was looking forward to "Crossroads" by Cream. :(

PsychoYoshi · July 28, 2009, 04:20:16 PM

If you strictly mean Guitar Hero, no, I don't think it should be worshipped, especially considering that Activision is milking the franchise to death with a solid (but not stellar) song selection, terrible charts, and way too many game disks.

If you mean rhythm games in general, yes, they should be held in high regard. They're the only type of video game that my parents have ever expressed any interest in at all, and they really have the power to bring together both novice and expert players to the same table. However, I do respect and agree with the position that if developers are to continue producing such games, they should continually be pushing the envelope and attempting to redefine the genre.

RX-78-2 · July 29, 2009, 12:23:32 PM

Quote from: PsychoYoshi on July 28, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
If you strictly mean Guitar Hero, no, I don't think it should be worshipped, especially considering that Activision is milking the franchise to death with a solid (but not stellar) song selection, terrible charts, and way too many game disks.

If you mean rhythm games in general, yes, they should be held in high regard. They're the only type of video game that my parents have ever expressed any interest in at all, and they really have the power to bring together both novice and expert players to the same table. However, I do respect and agree with the position that if developers are to continue producing such games, they should continually be pushing the envelope and attempting to redefine the genre.

Yeah, I agree with just about everything, but I don't think Guitar Hero has bad note charts. A few of them have certain parts that are just atrocious, an example being "Re-education (Through Labor)" by Rise Against. I believe it's at the "pre-chorus" where the notes don't make sense according to their sound. But you have to admit, theses charts are better than Rock Band's. They make everything too easy and hardly use three-fret chords.

And as for bringing novices and experts together, sometimes that can work against itself. Good communication is needed for players of different skill levels to effectively play together.

I'm just waiting for the ultimate music game (i.e. three guitar parts, bass, lead singing, backup singing, good drums, keyboard^?, all previous characters and songs through DLC). Yeah, I know the game would be difficult to develop, but maybe they could design it for high resolution screens if you play with more than 4 people at once. I don't know. The games really have been innovative, but have brought a few unwanted "casuals" to online play. As long as there's a good, new idea though, I'll buy another music game.

Silverhawk79 · July 29, 2009, 06:20:07 PM

Before GHWT, probably. However, now I'm a little ashamed to be a GH fan, because the series is going downhill very quickly. Maybe they'll turn it around with GH5.

PsychoYoshi · July 29, 2009, 07:32:04 PM

Quote from: TerribleFrog on July 29, 2009, 12:23:32 PM
But you have to admit, theses charts are better than Rock Band's. They make everything too easy and hardly use three-fret chords.

Buh? RB doesn't use three-note chords as often as GH primarily because Harmonix actually knows how to chart things. The only GH chart that I've ever liked more than its RB variant is Our Truth. Challenge is a moot point if the chart has been artificially inflated (lol, Cherub Rock, Before I Forget, NotB, 3s and 7s, Raining Blood (once in III, again in SH), My Curse, TTFAF (also screwed up twice), Do It Again, I could go on) like Neversoft and Beenox so often do.

RX-78-2 · July 30, 2009, 11:39:54 AM

Quote from: PsychoYoshi on July 29, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Buh? RB doesn't use three-note chords as often as GH primarily because Harmonix actually knows how to chart things. The only GH chart that I've ever liked more than its RB variant is Our Truth. Challenge is a moot point if the chart has been artificially inflated (lol, Cherub Rock, Before I Forget, NotB, 3s and 7s, Raining Blood (once in III, again in SH), My Curse, TTFAF (also screwed up twice), Do It Again, I could go on) like Neversoft and Beenox so often do.

What are you basing the charting on then? The real guitar playing? If so, wouldn't this ("Sugar Magnolia" by Grateful Dead):

e---------------------2--x------------------------------|
a---------------------3--2------------------------------|
d--1/2--1/2-----------2--2--1/2--1/2--------------------|
g--1/2--1/2-----2--4--4--2--1/2--1/2--------2-----------|
b------------4--------0--0------------2--4-----4--2--0--|
E---------------------x--x------------------------------|
[found at http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/g/grateful_dead/sugar_magnolia_solo_tab.htm]

have the bold chords as three-fret chords in the game (they're both two-fret chords)? (Sorry about the "off-ness" in the formatting of the tab.) I just prefer it that way as well as other "inflated" charts to something that is too easy. And I wouldn't call challenge a "moot point" nor a point at all. I would call it more of a personal preference. I just happen to like a varied yet sensible note chart that conforms to the sounds of the guitar in the song. If they need to make it different from the real thing, that's fine, because after all, it's just a game. If I wanted to play the real thing, I would use a real guitar.

Also, I think it'd be difficult to chart all those single-fret notes with only five frets though. Some songs (in both the Guitar Hero and Rock Band series) have already had some trouble charting these.

If I've missed the point, please inform me.

metroidhunter777 · July 30, 2009, 03:50:02 PM

Quote from: TerribleFrog on July 30, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
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Ah, but your "real guitar playing" thing works backwards. A prime example would be Stricken, in both GHIII and RB as DLC. RB actually got the chart right with single notes, then, as opposed to GH using two notes, as the power chord structure in a song in Drop C would be just one fret. GH also likes to combine rhythm and lead into one superclusterintercourse , as seen in 3's and 7's and TtFaF. There are several other songs where GH uses nonsensical amounts of three note chords, too...

Also, I'd like to point out here that the original GH game (which probably the best charts out of any GH game thusfar) had no 3-note chords in it. I'd also like to point out that you're confusing challenging and fun. That one terrible song in GHIII, Before I Forget, is challenging, and full of three note chords, but still terrible. That one extremely easy song for download on RB, Charlene (I'm Right Behind You), barely has any notes, but is still incredibly fun.

Just thought I'd get my two cents in.

RX-78-2 · July 31, 2009, 11:44:08 AM

Quote from: metroidhunter777 on July 30, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
Ah, but your "real guitar playing" thing works backwards. A prime example would be Stricken, in both GHIII and RB as DLC. RB actually got the chart right with single notes, then, as opposed to GH using two notes, as the power chord structure in a song in Drop C would be just one fret. GH also likes to combine rhythm and lead into one superclusterintercourse , as seen in 3's and 7's and TtFaF. There are several other songs where GH uses nonsensical amounts of three note chords, too...

Also, I'd like to point out here that the original GH game (which probably the best charts out of any GH game thusfar) had no 3-note chords in it. I'd also like to point out that you're confusing challenging and fun. That one terrible song in GHIII, Before I Forget, is challenging, and full of three note chords, but still terrible. That one extremely easy song for download on RB, Charlene (I'm Right Behind You), barely has any notes, but is still incredibly fun.

Just thought I'd get my two cents in.

I haven't seen the Rock Band chart for "Stricken" so I can't really compare the two. But anyway, yes, it is very annoying to play the lead and rhythm parts in one song, but Rock Band has done it as well and that's not really what I'm talking about. But my "real guitar playing thing" doesn't exactly work backwards. You just stated the other part of it, which is the opposite, but not "against" it (if you will) in any way. That's also what I intended it to mean.

Also, I guess I wasn't clear, but I would just rather have a three-fret chord played in game instead of a single-fret note comparing to a single-fret chord on real guitar. I would rather the in-game frets compare to the strings on a real guitar. If one string is played on real guitar, then a single-fret note would be played in-game. If two or three strings on a real-guitar are played then I think a two-fret chord would work nicely in game (with some exceptions). If four or more strings on a real guitar are played, then I think a three-fret chord would suit it well. The few four-fret chords we've seen could be used just for a challenge and/or more for their "aesthetic" properties (i.e. pretty colors and fun to play) especially if five or six strings played on a real guitar correspond to that note.

As for confusing challenging and fun, that statement is incorrect. What you think is fun may be different from what I think is fun. It's just a matter of opinion. I happen to enjoy playing "Before I Forget" very much and don't have many (if any) problems with the note chart. That song is actually a prime example of the kind of chart I like to play. I don't want the developers to try to re-create the experience of playing guitar, but rather, reinterpret it. Because, after all, it's only a game.

And I am aware that Guitar Hero [One] did not have three-fret chords. The hammer-ons and pull-offs were awful though, but that's another story.

whatwewishfor · August 01, 2009, 10:48:35 PM

yes

Thirteenthorder · August 05, 2009, 09:26:13 PM

Well maybe they'll release a full set of all songs, but for now I'm not buying the series of lame re-releases.

Eizweir · August 09, 2009, 11:48:31 AM

I, for one, actually really enjoy Smash Hits. It doesn't feel old or like a bad case of De ja vu, it feels like a fresh new game with nostalgic old tunes. The master tracks sound better, the charts are more fun to play.

I guess I'm just the odd one out here.

I think if you went out and bought every single Hero game they're making, then you're crazy. It'll be more of a pick and choose which ones you'll think you'd like best. I don't really have any complaints right now.

RX-78-2 · August 09, 2009, 05:57:20 PM

Quote from: Xeph on August 09, 2009, 11:48:31 AM
I think if you went out and bought every single Hero game they're making, then you're crazy. It'll be more of a pick and choose which ones you'll think you'd like best. I don't really have any complaints right now.

I bought every single one (except Guitar Hero: Smash Hits which I will still get and am looking forward to) until now. I bought Guitar Hero: Encore Rocks the 80's, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Guitar Hero: Metallica, and even both DS games, which I find to be surprising decent (on the good side) for a hand-held port. However, I saw some of the songs on Band Hero and just thought, "No. They're totally selling out". It's horrible. Bad, kid-friendly mainstream "music", if you can even respect/appreciate it enough to call it that. The same goes for DJ Hero. Now they're selling out to non-whites (not that they didn't like the other games. But whatever).

I even saw what Harmonix is doing with Lego Rock Band, and, although I do like Legos, this is the same concept as Band Hero. Just another kid-friendly sellout. I am looking forward to The Beatles: Rock Band and Guitar Hero 5 though. Those games might be able to redeem both series.

And you are absolutely right about it being a "pick and choose". I just wish it didn't have to be. =( Oh well. Business is business. :-\