Worshipping GH

[Thirdkoopa]

If you strictly mean Guitar Hero, no, I don't think it should be worshipped, especially considering that Activision is milking the franchise to death with a solid (but not stellar) song selection, terrible charts, and way too many game disks.

Terrible Charts - Uh, GHM, GHWT, and GHSH Have been vastly improved for the most part. And too many game discs? World Tour and Smash Hits are going to export into GH5 (If I have to; I'll fetch the IGN Article) Along with possible other ones in the future (lolbandhero, M, and VH Are currently in discussion) Which leaves it to about 3 discs once GH5 comes out (GH5, GHM, GHVH)
Oh yeah and exporting is on the wii to; I don't see harmonix doing that.

And eh, should it get all the attention? idrc. It's at least exposing people to new music, and both sides keep improving every year. As long as it sticks that way, I'm pretty fine (Just ignoring most of these random releases; I only played GH:Arcade because my friend bought the tickets, it sucks :/) Rhythm games should in general get more attention tho. The genre is so perfect for having more advanced players be with easier plays as PY Said. I can actually have fun while my friends are still on medium/hard/w/e is the medicore level ^_- Even worked out with only two people on DDR.

[RX-78-2]

World Tour and Smash Hits are going to export into GH5 (If I have to; I'll fetch the IGN Article) Along with possible other ones in the future (lolbandhero, M, and VH Are currently in discussion) Which leaves it to about 3 discs once GH5 comes out (GH5, GHM, GHVH)
Oh yeah and exporting is on the wii to; I don't see harmonix doing that.

And eh, should it get all the attention? idrc. It's at least exposing people to new music, and both sides keep improving every year. As long as it sticks that way, I'm pretty fine (Just ignoring most of these random releases; I only played GH:Arcade because my friend bought the tickets, it sucks :/) Rhythm games should in general get more attention tho. The genre is so perfect for having more advanced players be with easier plays as PY Said. I can actually have fun while my friends are still on medium/hard/w/e is the medicore level ^_- Even worked out with only two people on DDR.

Exporting all these songs is great. It's what I've been wanting for a long time :). Exposing people to new music is always good, as well as bringing players of different skill levels together. But, like I said before, it can work against itself when playing online when you want people of the same skill level. But it isn't usually a big deal as long they're not noobs :-\ (noobs use Star Power exactly when they get it no matter the part of the song or the difficulty of the player and have no mic).

[Mutilator7]

Guitar hero 1,2, 3 is okay, world tour is the big change adding mic and drums. Any other stuff can be dlc imo

[PsychoYoshi]

Terrible Charts - Uh, GHM, GHWT, and GHSH Have been vastly improved for the most part. And too many game discs? World Tour and Smash Hits are going to export into GH5 (If I have to; I'll fetch the IGN Article) Along with possible other ones in the future (lolbandhero, M, and VH Are currently in discussion) Which leaves it to about 3 discs once GH5 comes out (GH5, GHM, GHVH)
Oh yeah and exporting is on the wii to; I don't see harmonix doing that.

Terrible charts:
WT: Everlong (jesus intercourse ing christ it sucks), Do It Again (if you're going to chart the organ in the middle of the song, don't turn it into a intercourse ing tapping chart), BYOB (neither RB or GH got it, but the song blows, anyway), Rambin' Man (see Everlong), The Middle (let's chart twice as many notes during the fast part in the solo as we should)
Metallica: Don't have, can't judge.
SH: FUCK YEAH FIVE-NOTE CHORDS ARE BOTH ACCURATE AND ROCK!!1!1!1 FUCK YEAH TTFAF IS AWSUM!1!!!1!

Importing:
Wii importing is moot, because anyone who knows the series front and back will be playing it on a 360 or PS3, anyway (especially after the rumored Elite price drop to $300; it will force Sony to follow suit). Plus, VH and Band Hero compatibility are speculative, as you have already said.

[RX-78-2]

Terrible charts:
WT: Everlong (jesus intercourse ing christ it sucks), Do It Again (if you're going to chart the organ in the middle of the song, don't turn it into a intercourse ing tapping chart), BYOB (neither RB or GH got it, but the song blows, anyway), Rambin' Man (see Everlong), The Middle (let's chart twice as many notes during the fast part in the solo as we should)
Metallica: Don't have, can't judge.
SH: FUCK YEAH FIVE-NOTE CHORDS ARE BOTH ACCURATE AND ROCK!!1!1!1 FUCK YEAH TTFAF IS AWSUM!1!!!1!

What's wrong with "Everlong"'s chart in GH:WT ? Rock Band 2 has a good chart for it, but it's really not too different from the GH:WT version.

And what about "Ramblin' Man"? The charts are nearly identical except that Rock Band 2 makes you play the barely audible notes. Other than that, even the solos are very similar. A few parts are moved up or down the neck, but the same technique is generally used.

In "The Middle", the fast part in the solo has the appropriate amount of notes for GH:WT. It really is that fast. They even kept it that way in Guitar Hero: On Tour Decades, (and they usually change some note charts for songs that are on GH:OTD and other Guitar Hero games) which just shows how confident they are about the note chart.

As for "Do It Again", yes, the organ should not be charted at all. But I wouldn't be talking. If you play "Smokin'" by Boston, you'll find that you must play two organ solos for the guitar note chart as well as other organ parts in the song. Both games are at fault for that.

I can't judge "BYOB" as I've never played it on Rock Band 2, but I don't find the GH:WT chart to be that bad. _{(By the way, I like that song so dun be dissin')}

On a side note, do they really have five-fret chords in "Through the Fire and Flames" in Guitar Hero: Smash Hits ? That is a bit over the top, but I've been wanting to play a chart with that for some time now. I think the sacrifice of charting for challenge is worth it in this case. But... I can't tell... are you supporting or opposing GH:SH 's "Through the Fire and Flames" chart?

[Thirdkoopa]

Terrible charts:
WT: Everlong (jesus intercourse ing christ it sucks), Do It Again (if you're going to chart the organ in the middle of the song, don't turn it into a intercourse ing tapping chart), BYOB (neither RB or GH got it, but the song blows, anyway), Rambin' Man (see Everlong), The Middle (let's chart twice as many notes during the fast part in the solo as we should)
Metallica: Don't have, can't judge.
SH: FUCK YEAH FIVE-NOTE CHORDS ARE BOTH ACCURATE AND ROCK!!1!1!1 FUCK YEAH TTFAF IS AWSUM!1!!!1!

Importing:
Wii importing is moot, because anyone who knows the series front and back will be playing it on a 360 or PS3, anyway (especially after the rumored Elite price drop to $300; it will force Sony to follow suit). Plus, VH and Band Hero compatibility are speculative, as you have already said.

Everlong and Ramblin Man are fine with me...Sure they may be a bit overchorded or so, but It's not anything ridiculous. The Middle is fine (Ok, maybe a bit too fast, but RB's was too slow...Or I just play this song generally fast) Do It Again...Eh, I actually found it fun as a tapping solo. It's tapping because you don't strum on a piano; That's at least what I say.

BYOB Does suck tho lol. I'll agree with you on that one.
GHM - Nothing really bad here, aside from chords.
SH - Yeah, we all know raining blood and TTFAF charts suck. There's nothing new there. The other charts however are fine (Take It Off, Unsung, Carry on Wayward Son, and others are charted accurately well along with others) And I still actually somewhat find enjoyments out of the two fail charts of SH.

also don't forget it's not only guitar now. for the most part, drums/vocals/bass have had amazing charts.

Importing; Actually, from what we know, BH Is another platform like GH5/RB2. No news on that one, asides from the quote of them saying that they don't plan to stop at WT/SH Imports with there being "More that they want to do", and the wii is a pretty valid point about imports. While more competitive players into it usually have a PS3/360, GH3/WT Are the best selling on the wii. That has to say something.

[PsychoYoshi]

What's wrong with "Everlong"'s chart in GH:WT ? Rock Band 2 has a good chart for it, but it's really not too different from the GH:WT version.

And what about "Ramblin' Man"? The charts are nearly identical except that Rock Band 2 makes you play the barely audible notes. Other than that, even the solos are very similar. A few parts are moved up or down the neck, but the same technique is generally used.

In "The Middle", the fast part in the solo has the appropriate amount of notes for GH:WT. It really is that fast. They even kept it that way in Guitar Hero: On Tour Decades, (and they usually change some note charts for songs that are on GH:OTD and other Guitar Hero games) which just shows how confident they are about the note chart.

As for "Do It Again", yes, the organ should not be charted at all. But I wouldn't be talking. If you play "Smokin'" by Boston, you'll find that you must play two organ solos for the guitar note chart as well as other organ parts in the song. Both games are at fault for that.

I can't judge "BYOB" as I've never played it on Rock Band 2, but I don't find the GH:WT chart to be that bad. _{(By the way, I like that song so dun be dissin')}

On a side note, do they really have five-fret chords in "Through the Fire and Flames" in Guitar Hero: Smash Hits ? That is a bit over the top, but I've been wanting to play a chart with that for some time now. I think the sacrifice of charting for challenge is worth it in this case. But... I can't tell... are you supporting or opposing GH:SH 's "Through the Fire and Flames" chart?

Everlong's WT chart misses half the notes in the riff. It should be DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-DA-DA, not DA--DA--DA--DA--DA--DA--DADADA. This adds up to about a quarter of the song.

You said that RB "makes you play the barely audible notes" in Ramblin' Man. Last I checked, barely audible notes are still notes. The riff is half of the the song. Half of the chart is wrong.

I said both charts suck for BYOB; I'll complain about the song as much as I want.

TTFAF doesn't have five-note chords in SH. Raining Blood does. Again, chart accuracy takes priority over any artificial (and painful) "challenge" that Activision or Beenox puts in the game. And I hate TTFAF's chart.

Also, yes, Thirdkoopa. GH and RB have sold best on the Wii because it is the best-selling system of the three. If a game is multiplatform, people are statistically going to buy it the most on the system that's sold the most. However, a great number (I'm not saying all) of these players are the 40 year-old women and 8 year-old kids the Wii is marketed for. They won't know the difference.

[Thirdkoopa]

Also, yes, Thirdkoopa. GH and RB have sold best on the Wii because it is the best-selling system of the three. If a game is multiplatform, people are statistically going to buy it the most on the system that's sold the most. However, a great number (I'm not saying all) of these players are the 40 year-old women and 8 year-old kids the Wii is marketed for. They won't know the difference.

Of course, however, the point I'm getting at is that with so many casual owner's, there are some people who use the wii out there (People being cheap to upgrade; Thank god that's not me) So with exporting on that, that also limits the amount of discs for anyone still using that. If someone was playing on the wii, for band discs, on RB They'd have RB1/2/RB:B, On GH, 5/M/VH. (On 360/PS3, It'd be RB2/B vs 5/M/VH, tho, most people didn't buy M and van halen comes free in september. Can't deny a non exportable just yet disc when It's free)

As for charts: Where on the back does It say "We have to chart like a real guitar" I mean, the only charts that would usually get me to stop playing a song/play it less on disc are in GH3 (TTFAF, The Way It Ends, Raining Blood, Take This Life, Don't Hold Back, lol holiday in cambodia, Before I forget, etc) I mean, I don't find all the GH Chart's of recently better than RB, but the charts on GHWT/M/SH (And DLC, If you want to count that) Are CERTAINLY More 'Standable' Than in GH3. (Stupid bridge from Before I Forget or a Tapping Piano solo in Do It Again? Pick your poison)

[PsychoYoshi]

As for charts: Where on the back does It say "We have to chart like a real guitar" I mean, the only charts that would usually get me to stop playing a song/play it less on disc are in GH3 (TTFAF, The Way It Ends, Raining Blood, Take This Life, Don't Hold Back, lol holiday in cambodia, Before I forget, etc) I mean, I don't find all the GH Chart's of recently better than RB, but the charts on GHWT/M/SH (And DLC, If you want to count that) Are CERTAINLY More 'Standable' Than in GH3. (Stupid bridge from Before I Forget or a Tapping Piano solo in Do It Again? Pick your poison)

Oh, I'll totally agree with you that the SH/WT/5/M charts are better, than they were, I'm merely saying that their charts usually aren't as good as RB's.

And no, it doesn't say anywhere that it has to be perfectly charted to the way that the guitar plays. On occasion (RB's chart of Reptilia), some minor switching between rhythm and lead is beneficial. However, I, personally, would like what I play to be as close to whatever the guitarist is playing (while obviously only accounting for five buttons and a single string).

[RX-78-2]

Everlong's WT chart misses half the notes in the riff. It should be DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-DA-DA, not DA--DA--DA--DA--DA--DA--DADADA. This adds up to about a quarter of the song.

You said that RB "makes you play the barely audible notes" in Ramblin' Man. Last I checked, barely audible notes are still notes. The riff is half of the the song. Half of the chart is wrong.

I said both charts suck for BYOB; I'll complain about the song as much as I want.

TTFAF doesn't have five-note chords in SH. Raining Blood does. Again, chart accuracy takes priority over any artificial (and painful) "challenge" that Activision or Beenox puts in the game. And I hate TTFAF's chart.

Also, yes, Thirdkoopa. GH and RB have sold best on the Wii because it is the best-selling system of the three. If a game is multiplatform, people are statistically going to buy it the most on the system that's sold the most. However, a great number (I'm not saying all) of these players are the 40 year-old women and 8 year-old kids the Wii is marketed for. They won't know the difference.

Yeah, for "Everlong" I forgot about that part and remembered it right after posting, after I left my computer though, so I didn't bother modifying my post. So I do agree with you on that.

For "Ramblin' Man", the Rock Band 2 chart I guess is better because of that, but it I think that the effort it takes to play all those other notes isn't worth charting accuracy. The "ratio" or "proportion" of charting accuracy to playability is skewed for this song in my opinion. Like I said before, I enjoy the note chart for "Before I Forget" very much, and that's about the proportion of charting accuracy to playability that I like in terms of fretting and strumming.

I don't have Guitar Hero: Smash Hits so I can't discuss that game with you, but I don't find the note chart for "Through the Fire and Flames" in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock to be at fault.

Speaking of the "chart[ing] accuracy tak[ing] priority over any artificial (and painful) 'challenge' that Activision or Beenox puts in the game", whose priority do you mean? If you mean yours, yours is not necessarily that of the entire gaming community, specifically those who purchase rhythm/music games. Even so, it's the developer's priority (which usually is to please their "audience" and consumers nonetheless) that decide everything according to how they want it to be played. This of course just shows the differences in Activison's and Harmonix's developing styles, in particular when they chart their development teams' cover songs. Just look at the chart for "Paranoid" on Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock and the same on Rock Band. They're slightly different because of the style of the cover, but that also gives some insight into their thoughts, opinions, and methods in charting other songs.

As a side note...

Crud, speaking of the Wii and the demographic it's marketed toward, I just saw a Walmart commercial advertising GH:WT (HOLY CRUD EXACTLY AS I WRITE THIS IT'S ON TV NO JOKE I JUST SAW IT) for $99 showing a 40-something woman and her 5-or-so-year-old son playing it. It's probably made with cheaper and lower quality parts so as to lower the price that much. Cruddy Walmart.