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SOPA
« on: November 16, 2011, 08:46:14 PM »
So apparently Congress wants to pass a bill that would give the United States government the power to censor the internet. I personally don't think it's going to happen. Too many people are against it and even the president says he'll veto the bill if it reaches his desk. Any thoughts?

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 09:01:15 PM »
I don't think it will pass either. There would be too much resistance to it, as any form of Internet censorship would draw allusions to Chinese censorship.


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Re: SOPA
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 09:16:47 PM »
Oh god this.

I'm doubting it'll get anywhere, but still my doubt is decreasing. If it passes, I'll probably just get to Canada as quickly as I can because it's safe.. and mere hours from my house.

Of course, that is if it passes and ruins intercourse ing everything. And I'm exaggerating my measures a but. But this seriously shouldn't do anything.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 01:09:53 AM »
The movie and music industries really want this to pass and are the ones that probably influenced its proposal in the first place. They're convinced that piracy is causing them to lose millions each year, so they complain to the government without any real evidence to make that sort of conclusion.

Anyway if this passes it just shows yet again that this country favors big business.




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Re: SOPA
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 08:04:50 AM »
Except it won't really stop piracy.

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 08:59:14 AM »
so they complain to the government without any real evidence to make that sort of conclusion.

We're in agreement

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 01:08:29 PM »
Except it won't really stop piracy.
the lowdown:

It won't really prevent what it's SUPPOSED to prevent.
But it will get in the way of things that don't need to be disturbed.

Basically it does extra harm without even doing the "good" it's supposed to do.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 01:40:16 PM »
the lowdown:

It won't really prevent what it's SUPPOSED to prevent.
But it will get in the way of things that don't need to be disturbed.

Basically it does extra harm without even doing the "good" it's supposed to do.

Exactly.

There are petitions all over the internet that are aiming to stop the bill from being passed. I've already signed one. The government has done some crazy things in the past so I don't want to take any chances.

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 11:49:05 AM »
It won't pass. If it does, the internet is in trouble, since a large portion of it is still located in the US, so I'm against this as well.

Naturally our country won't be in trouble and something as silly as letting private coorperations have the power of censorship would probably end your political career if you would ever propose it here.

While I can rant for hours about american politics, it will probably piss a huge amount of people off when I do so, so I won't.

With this bill however, it's not just about politicians being retarded but a lot of lobbying as well. You'd have to be really dense not to see the huge amounts of corruption here, especially if it passes.

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2011, 07:22:09 AM »
o canadia we stand on guard 4 theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 08:08:05 PM »
o canadia we stand on guard 4 theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Looks like it's just like old times: America being oppressive, and Canada being free.

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 08:46:47 PM »
and we're the socialists eh

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Re: SOPA
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 09:24:14 PM »
and we're the socialists eh

Lobbying has just got to go.

Money just has far too much influence in our government. It's intercourse ing ridiculous.


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Re: SOPA
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 09:32:58 PM »
Lobbying has just got to go.

Money just has far too much influence in our government. It's intercourse ing ridiculous.

You can pass more legislation to outlaw lobbying, make the government a direct democracy, start catering to the masses, and then the US will wind up like the most stereotypical Occupy people who only make decisions through groupthink and tyranny of the loudest group. The interest groups will then turn to their lawyers, find a loophole in the law, and merrily continue doing what they were previously doing while small business owners and those that can't afford the spinsters will continue to be excluded.

In other words, you're merely kicking the can further down the road and not addressing the root cause of the problem.

A more practical solution in two easy steps:
1) Scale back the size of government and the lobbying incentive for large pressure groups will be diminished.
2) Actually, I just needed one step. Huh.

I also note a lot of omg evil corporation strawmen in this discussion. Let's use the term "special interest" or "pressure" groups so that we don't forget all of the other non-corporate collectives that want to cheat, you, the individual, out of your liberty and money, namely labor unions, and the pet startup projects of officials (Solyndra).
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 11:44:59 PM »
Scaling back the size of the government could have some negative repercussions.

You sure that its as simple as that? Elaborate.