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Title: Weed. . .
Post by: Missingno6 on May 21, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
Weed.
This isn't a thing about "OMGZ WEED KILLZZ" or "Damn, I just want them to legalize it in CA so I can move there". This is about my RL school "friends". Two of them. They have already done it before. Tomorrow we were going to White Water (Water Park in Georgia. Hella fun) for fun seeing that school got out and my birthdat is the day after tomorrow, but they've already been making plans on getting high instead. I have never done weed, nor will the convince me to (no reason for me to be honest). I was wondering if anyone has a similar situation and/or advise on getting them to stop. Please answer or help or something. Please.
~~~~~
Missingno The Sixth.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Night the Lucario on May 22, 2010, 05:31:13 AM
...I clicked on this topic expecting something about weeding. You know, the kind people have done for centuries. I am suddenly relieved, due to the massive pain weeding is.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: L10 on May 22, 2010, 08:23:29 AM
I've never done it, and never plan too. But one of my friend's has done it twice and he was like "ok, you guys are intercourse ing retarded, this poop is intercourse ing boring"

So I think weed is mostly  just a social thing, and people do it to compensate for something.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Missingno6 on May 22, 2010, 08:30:08 AM
Quote from: The Unstoppable on May 22, 2010, 08:23:29 AM
So I think weed is mostly  just a social thing, and people do it to compensate for something.

My "friends" are doing it just because. No reason other than its fun.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Keeta on May 22, 2010, 08:47:32 AM
really they can do whatever the hell they want.

you can't make them stop, nor can they make you start.

I say forget about them because they seem like vagina cleaning devicebags
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: phatyo on May 31, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Honestly, take it from me. Even though this entire forums hate me for no reason. Weed does not do anything to you but slow you down. It nums your emotions. And can make the noise of you slamming your hands together funnier then a retarded seal clapping. What ever you do, if your friends ever come around and say " Try this! This weed is called Spice and its legal" No matter how tempting the "Legal" Might be way then say it. Your mind will leave your body and on your own for 3 hours to wonder and everything is slow motion! You will not stop laughing and you will have to think about breathing every now and then.
Weed shoudnt be illegal either. Its not even close to as harmful as alcohol and that kills and causes other deaths. Such as drunk driving and ect. But I'm going to stop writing because I'm stupid and No one will reply to this because this forums is filled of goody two shoes who will never have sex until there marriage and have 3 kids with an over sized wife.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: JrDude on May 31, 2010, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: phatyo on May 31, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Even though this entire forums hate me for no reason.
Quote from: phatyo on May 31, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
this forums is filled of goody two shoes who will never have sex until there marriage and have 3 kids with an over sized wife.


Well with the comment toward the retard done, I will respond to the topic.

3 of my friends smoke weed. Why? Well I asked one time, and this is what they said: "Because I can blow out smoke and it makes me feel like a intercourse ing dragon" ... Though that was before my 3rd friend smoked weed. My 3rd friend started because 2 of my friends talked about it all the time, though they never offered it to anyone else, nor tempted anyone else to do it, but he's the gullible person of the group.
I honestly don't care much, they never do it in front of me, nor do they try to make me do it.

But I won't ever do it, why? Well I guess it's because I'm a goody goody, I don't like to think of myself as that, but I can't deny that I am. I mean, the biggest law I break is the speed limit... Anyway, the explanation reason, it's intercourse ing bad for you, who the hell cares if alcohol is worse than weed? does that make it good? no, don't drink a lot either then, in fact, if people want to keep bringing up that alcohol is worse, then intercourse ing make alcohol illegal, or no more than a certain amount can be drunk since a small amount is good for you.
Another reason I won't ever do it is because I have a very addictive personality, and if I started, I'd likely become a druggie.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 01, 2010, 03:26:05 AM
First of all, any poop hole that smokes pot everyday will tell you that it "isn't anywhere near as bad for you as drinking alcohol" but the fact of the matter is, is that you're still inhaling burning plant matter and doing damage to your body as a result. You receive toxic gases from the inhaling of pot and that's just how it is. Not to mention all the weight you can possibly gain as a result from the appetite increase. There are other issues like how prolonged usage causes psychosis but I won't get technical.

That isn't to say it can't be fun or anything. It can definitely be fun. I personally don't like feeling completely retarded though. Seriously phayto isn't kidding when you actually have to think now and then about breathing. I don't know anyone that stopped breathing while high off of pot though lol. Pot, Halo, Street Fighter 3, and Melee defined my high school experience.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Shujinco2 on June 01, 2010, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: Zero on June 01, 2010, 03:26:05 AM
First of all, any poop hole that smokes pot everyday will tell you that it "isn't anywhere near as bad for you as drinking alcohol" but the fact of the matter is, is that you're still inhaling burning plant matter and doing damage to your body as a result. You receive toxic gases from the inhaling of pot and that's just how it is. Not to mention all the weight you can possibly gain as a result from the appetite increase. There are other issues like how prolonged usage causes psychosis but I won't get technical.

That isn't to say it can't be fun or anything. It can definitely be fun. I personally don't like feeling completely retarded though. Seriously phayto isn't kidding when you actually have to think now and then about breathing. I don't know anyone that stopped breathing while high off of pot though lol. Pot, Halo, Street Fighter 3, and Melee defined my high school experience.
This.

Also, I have tried once or twice, and both times it tasted like crap. Life is too darn short to be ingesting things that taste bad, darn it.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: MoS on June 01, 2010, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: Zero on June 01, 2010, 03:26:05 AM
There are other issues like how prolonged usage causes psychosis but I won't get technical.


wut.


Anyway, weed is a great thing...to do in the privacy of your home with close friends. It's a great way to chill and have fun, but when you go out into public high, you just look like a retard, not to mention carrying weed on you is an incredibly dumb idea. (unless your state decriminalized it, but even then, don't.)

It's your friends choice what they want to do, but I wouldn't stop being friend with them over it, just tell them you don't want them smoking around you and you don't want to hang out with them if they're high.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 01, 2010, 12:04:00 PM
Get them arrested. It's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 01, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: M҉̨͠O̵͟S̡҉̸͠͏ on June 01, 2010, 11:49:22 AM
wut.


Unfortunately, its true. If you smoke pot every day of your life for years at a time you're probably going to develop psychosis, depression, etc. Its the result of some 20+ year study or some poop.

Seriously though, who in the hell smokes pot every day? Oh wait, I know some people that do that, or at least claim to thinking it makes them hardasses. Your average pot user doesn't smoke every day though.

Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: K-Cee on June 01, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: Missingno6 on May 21, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
Weed.
This isn't a thing about "OMGZ WEED KILLZZ" or "Damn, I just want them to legalize it in CA so I can move there". This is about my RL school "friends". Two of them. They have already done it before. Tomorrow we were going to White Water (Water Park in Georgia. Hella fun) for fun seeing that school got out and my birthdat is the day after tomorrow, but they've already been making plans on getting high instead. I have never done weed, nor will the convince me to (no reason for me to be honest). I was wondering if anyone has a similar situation and/or advise on getting them to stop. Please answer or help or something. Please.
~~~~~
Missingno The Sixth.


i know a hell of alot of people who do it.
i never have and never will.
i hate when you're with a group of people and they randomly start talking about it.
uhm... no dude. you aren't cool.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Triforceman22 on June 02, 2010, 02:43:51 PM
80% of my hospitality class smokes weed and/or some other drug.
And they act like they're retards.

this tells me something...
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Magnum on June 02, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
Unfortunately, if they are anything like the stoners I know, if they are going to stop, they will. If not, there is nothing you can do.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Macawmoses on June 08, 2010, 10:31:09 PM
My sentiment is this..."look at what it did to phatyo."

That is all.

Not really though. Peer pressure is annoying as intercourse , but you can be cool about it. I've been offered the poop, and there's always an excuse. The fear of being caught. Letting  ma and pa down. Asthma is my personal favourite.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: The Seventh on June 09, 2010, 10:18:04 AM
I personally am not in favor or against it.

I, however, dislike the idea of putting something like that in my body.  I hated taking my ADHD meds at the prescribed dosages.  It makes me feel less like myself, and I hate it.  And, I don't want to damage my lungs either...I wanna breathe well, man.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 10, 2010, 10:44:45 PM
My advice is smoke it.

I smoke weed ALOT. I was very anti anti drug, but after excruciating circumstances I started to smoke. And I can say that Nothing bad happens from it. Other than it helped me stop smoking tobacco and it really makes every day an enjoyable one.

I say try Weed. Do it in a responsible environment and make sure if someone is driving high, they can do it well. 90% of people can drive fine, because your so much more aware and careful on the road.

Try it once, if you like it GRAND do it some more. Weed does less damage to you than alcohol. Don't let this phony war on drugs turn you off of it, marijuana is just illigal because the Government can't make to much money off of it *Because people can grow it in there own homes, and because the tobacco industry would lose a ton of money since it can be used as a replacement for cigarettes.

If you don't like it, then don't do it again.

It's non addictive, trying it once will just tell you if you like it, or if you don't.


I smoke pot close to everyday. It's summer, i'm a pro Halo player.

All of the Marijuana studies *Most of them* are very untrue. I will give this example.

It was a test to see if one could OD on Weed. They said yes, because a monkey's brain shut down. However in the study it was because they injected so much THC into it, it was the equivalent of 1600 joints. But of course they don't say that in the interview.

Before I started smoking I did a TON of research on the subject, and I made sure all of the sources were reliable.

People can tell you smoking Marijuana is bad for you, and it is. Your SMOKING. Smoking is bad, however this does less damage to you than alcohol. It's less addictive for you than tobacco and gives you a much better feeling of euphoria.

I would say, anyone that thinks when you smoke weed you become retarded has either A. Never smoked weed. Or B. Is a retard already.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Macawmoses on June 10, 2010, 11:31:53 PM
I doubt it does less damage then alcohol. Smoking anything is respiratory and circulatory, automatically. Alcohol is going to reak havok on your liver, pancreas, and kidneys. I'd rather try living without those then my heart and lungs - sure, it's both bad, but I see the damage associated with smoking as far worse than that of drinking.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 10, 2010, 11:58:44 PM
Alcohol is worse for you than weed.

Both are bad, one is worse.

In fact, 5 years ago the city of Denver ran a decriminalization campaign for Marijuana, based on the fact that Marijuana does less damage to you than Alcohol.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 11, 2010, 03:48:06 AM
Even if it isn't that bad for you by itself, some of the stuff that gets put into it can. You never know what you're really buying.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 11, 2010, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 11, 2010, 03:48:06 AM
Even if it isn't that bad for you by itself, some of the stuff that gets put into it can. You never know what you're really buying.

It's grown, and the buds are taken from it.

It's not made from scratch, so it is very difficult to put anything into it. Of course some people lace weed with acid or Vicodin. But it's not very hard to notice that, and 99% of people won't lace your weed without telling you.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 11, 2010, 12:58:20 PM
A growing trend is to lace weed with 2CE, not to mention plenty of dealers piss on their crop.

It happens more often than you're letting on. Don't throw around a false statistic that's probably based on your personal experiences.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: JrDude on June 12, 2010, 12:43:34 AM
It's been proven alcohol is worse than weed. But who the hell cares? Don't do it anyway, if you're going to think of it that way, don't drink either.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Shujinco2 on June 12, 2010, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 12, 2010, 12:43:34 AM
It's been proven alcohol is worse than weed. But who the hell cares? Don't do it anyway, if you're going to think of it that way, don't drink either.
HEY GUYS, GUESS WHAT! BLEACH IS LESS DEADLY THAN LYE! SO COME ON, LET US HAVE A DRINK!!!!!!
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 10:27:21 AM
I've done it before and it's not that bad. weed is hella good when you already doing something fun you just having the time of your life.everything is epic.now what i don't agree with is powder that stuff is nothing like weed at all I've never done it but jugging from the people I'm around sometimes the just beyond hyper active. I went to the club all cum and not collect and my Buddy was every where and I mean every where dancing with 4 chicks at once on the dance floor, then out side acting a fool, and last but not least in the car with the females. Lucky I was driving.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 10:27:21 AM
I've done it before and it's not that bad. weed is hella good when you already doing something fun you just having the time of your life.everything is epic.now what i don't agree with is powder that stuff is nothing like weed at all I've never done it but jugging from the people I'm around sometimes the just beyond hyper active. I went to the club all cum and not collect and my Buddy was every where and I mean every where dancing with 4 chicks at once on the dance floor, then out side acting a fool, and last but not least in the car with the females. Lucky I was driving.

You see, this is why people say that weed smokers are idiots.

Because most of them are.
But smoking it doesn't cause you to become one, or act like one.

Idiots are idiots, before and after they smoke.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 05:13:56 PM
True that it make idots into even bigger idots every day but he was on powder not weed
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 05:13:56 PM
True that it make idots into even bigger idots every day but he was on powder not weed

Fix your grammar.

No, it doesn't make idiots into bigger idiots.

idiots follow the path that makes them into idiots.

Get schooling, go to college.

I smoke weed VERY frequently, but I am a very smart person. Weed is hobby, it doesn't change you anymore than any other hobby.

Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 07:55:38 PM
You do know that I'm joking on some of these topics right. =P
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 08:01:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned, smoking weed makes you a criminal. If you want to smoke it go to Canada. If not you're as bad as a sneak thief.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 08:01:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned, smoking weed makes you a criminal. If you want to smoke it go to Canada. If not you're as bad as a sneak thief.
Then what does that make Bush?
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 08:11:46 PM
He's not president anymore, who cares what he does.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 12, 2010, 08:25:34 PM
I do because he won't give me some Weed, Pffft...

Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 08:01:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned, smoking weed makes you a criminal. If you want to smoke it go to Canada. If not you're as bad as a sneak thief.

If your going off of the basis that's it's illegal than you can also say that having any sip of an alcoholic beverage before you are over 21 makes you a criminal.

Pirating music makes you a criminal.

Same concept. Herp da intercourse ing derp.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 10:12:16 PM
That sounds about right. You can justify anything.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 10:12:16 PM
That sounds about right. You can justify anything.

Yeah. I'm pretty much just the most enlightened and godly person you will ever meet.

I feel sorry for everyone else, knowing they will never be this awesome.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 12, 2010, 10:18:06 PM
if tobacco and alcohol are worse healthwise, i really don't see why weed should be illegal. personally i don't have any interest in doing it, but just like smoking cigarettes and drinking, it should be someone's personal choice whether to do it. throwing someone in jail for owning it just seems absurd to me.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
Hey, I wouldn't be against it if it was legal. The way it is now it isn't so I'm not. Get the weed legalized before you start smoking it, then go crazy. In fact, if weed was legalized it would be regulated by the government and would be safer to smoke overall, plus the money would give our country lots of money. But last I checked it isn't legal.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 12, 2010, 10:18:06 PM
if tobacco and alcohol are worse healthwise, i really don't see why weed should be illegal. personally i don't have any interest in doing it, but just like smoking cigarettes and drinking, it should be someone's personal choice whether to do it. throwing someone in jail for owning it just seems absurd to me.

I said it already but i'll say it again because I like to type.

Weed was outlawed early in the 1930's? I think I could be wrong, because hemp was being used for paper. So all of the guys in the tree industry were losing money so they started the phony war on drugs.

The reason it is not legalized in this day in age is because weed would easily help someone quit smoking tobacco, which would make those companies lose money, also people can grow it very easily so the government could not make money doing it.

It is illegal because it is beneficial to the government and some other companies, not because it causes harm to the human body. People need to understand this, and stop living in ignorance.

That's the jist of it anyway.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 12, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Lelouch on June 12, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
I said it already but i'll say it again because I like to type.

Weed was outlawed early in the 1930's? I think I could be wrong, because hemp was being used for paper. So all of the guys in the tree industry were losing money so they started the phony war on drugs.

The reason it is not legalized in this day in age is because weed would easily help someone quit smoking tobacco, which would make those companies lose money, also people can grow it very easily so the government could not make money doing it.

It is illegal because it is beneficial to the government and some other companies, not because it causes harm to the human body. People need to understand this, and stop living in ignorance.

That's the jist of it anyway.

i suspected that but i wadn't sure whether it was completely true. its frustrating because this really shows how much the government controls how much everyone knows. they tell the schools to teach a lot of this poop to keep everyone ignorant. Sometimes i just don't know who to believe.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 10:51:30 PM
It always ends up being some kind of government conspiracy, doesn't it? That's why I don't hand out with these kinds of people. Nik, you need to learn to think for yourself. By that I don't mean ignore everything you are told in schools because the corporations are trying to brainwash you, just so you know.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 12, 2010, 11:05:02 PM
i generally do think for myself. i'm just not that well informed on the real reasons why weed is illegal. i just basically stated that health issues wasn't good enough reason for me for weed to be illegal.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:07:29 PM
Go do some research then, and check from a bunch of different places. Take all of that information with a grain of salt and determine why you think it is illegal. Don't just take what the first loon says as fact.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:07:29 PM
Go do some research then, and check from a bunch of different places. Take all of that information with a grain of salt and determine why you think it is illegal. Don't just take what the first loon says as fact.

That's what your doing right? I would say most people believe what the president tells them, or what there parents tell them or what there friends tell them. They do this because they are conditioned to do so.

It's the same with drugs, unless you grew up with your parents doing it you have heard that drugs are bad. That, nothing good will come from them and that if you do drugs you will grow up to be a nobody.

These are things, that they tell you about it.

Then there's the person like me, who does research about it and double checks the sources.

See cornwad, what you just said to him was pretty idiotic IMO. You told him to do research, and that's fine. But all he's going to find is what I have already stated.
Also, no it's not a government conspiracy. The government does what is beneficial to them, that's just a fact. I don't have to use marijuana as an example. I could use the god darn oil spill.

Barack Obama has not done anything productive about it, what he should do is tear the oil company a new one because this could have been easily prevented.
However, he will not because oil is a major substance in this country, he hurts the oil company and it will help people, however he hurts his re election in the process.

He won't because of this. Marijuana has been my example, because it's the topic of the thread. You should let Nik be himself, as soon as it seemed he was agreeing with my points, you start telling him not to. That's being pretty aggressive and overly dominant of your friend as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:18:01 PM
Ok, I don't feel like reading that. I think we can all agree that your opinion is biased, and we can hardly take what a pot head says seriously. That stuff obviously messes with your head based on what we have seen here.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 12, 2010, 11:21:40 PM
If weed were commercialized, do you really think people are automatically going to switch from tobacco to marijuana? Are you that naive?

The primary reason people become addicted to tobacco in the first place is the NICOTINE, which is the most powerful addictive chemical in tobacco. It doesn't help that they add tons of other poop that increase the potency and make it more addictive.

Traditional marijuana has NO nicotine, and to my knowledge and from personal experience, you cannot get physically addicted to marijuana(as in, your body "needs it"). You can get mentally addicted to it though, where you make a complete habit out of it.

In that regard, why would people who are addicted to nicotine switch to marijuana when they smoke for the nicotine? The nicotine addiction is strong enough to where sometimes not even switching the person to another  addictive drug(like morphine) is effective, which is why traditional treatment is usually something like nicotine gum or patches, which slowly reduce the amount of nicotine the addicted person gets over time until they're not addicted any longer.

Granted, there are probably some who would stop smoking tobacco and start smoking mary jane just for the intercourse  of it, but there are those that would smoke both and the majority that wouldn't switch because what they want is tobacco and NOT marijuana. When you say that people would switch you're implying that what they really want is marijuana, and that isn't the case. You don't understand basic economics, you've been throwing around false statistics, and you're bringing up conspiracy theories which when you get down to their core, don't make any intercourse ing sense. Just stop.

Hell I thought the point of being a stoner was to just...smoke and not care. lol
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: Zero on June 12, 2010, 11:21:40 PM
If weed were commercialized, do you really think people are automatically going to switch from tobacco to marijuana? Are you that naive?

The primary reason people become addicted to tobacco in the first place is the NICOTINE, which is the most powerful addictive chemical in tobacco. It doesn't help that they add tons of other poop that increase the potency and make it more addictive.

Traditional marijuana has NO nicotine, and to my knowledge and from personal experience, you cannot get physically addicted to marijuana(as in, your body "needs it"). You can get mentally addicted to it though, where you make a complete habit out of it.

In that regard, why would people who are addicted to nicotine switch to marijuana when they smoke for the nicotine? The nicotine addiction is strong enough to where sometimes not even switching the person to another  addictive drug(like morphine) is effective, which is why traditional treatment is usually something like nicotine gum or patches, which slowly reduce the amount of nicotine the addicted person gets over time until they're not addicted any longer.

Granted, there are probably some who would stop smoking tobacco and start smoking mary jane just for the intercourse  of it, but there are those that would smoke both and the majority that wouldn't switch because what they want is tobacco and NOT marijuana. When you say that people would switch you're implying that what they really want is marijuana, and that isn't the case. You don't understand basic economics, you've been throwing around false statistics, and you're bringing up conspiracy theories which when you get down to their core, don't make any intercourse ing sense. Just stop.

Hell I thought the point of being a stoner was to just...smoke and not care. lol

Wow, just wow.

People are so stupid, it really makes me sad.

I did not say People will stop smoking tobacco.

I said Marijuana can help people get off of there addiction. Which is true.

Nobody thinks weed has nicotine, and everybody knows you can't get addicted.

Of course you can get mentally addicted to it, but you can get mentally addicted to anything. To playing games, to watching TV etc etc. I would say being mentally addicted to alcohol is much much more dangerous than being mentally addicted to weed.

Try to think about what your going to say, before you say it.

Also Cornwad, you refused to read my post. Your refusing to look at my statements and either A. Counteract them or B. Show any opinion at all.

I would say your posts through this have been biased. I'v stated the facts that I have acquired through hours of research. An example of what your saying is Evolutionists are biased about there belief, however that is because they are correct.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
I think the point is that the tobacco companies would not loose billions of dollars if weed was legalized, so your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Just give up your commie bullpoop and go to sleep.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
I think the point is that the tobacco companies would not loose billions of dollars if weed was legalized, so your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Just give up your commie bullpoop and go to sleep.

They woudl lose money, this is a fact. What your doing is since you can't come up with any compelling argument you are attempting to make mine look like the words of heresy.

it doesn't work out, no one will take you seriously if you take all serious arguments this low or immature.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:39:53 PM
Your argument was that "The reason it is not legalized in this day in age is because weed would easily help someone quit smoking tobacco", but as Zero pointed out people won't just switch just because they think that weed is better for them, in fact it wouldn't help their addiction any more than already legal products do. Therefore nothing you said has made any sense, you are embarrassing yourself, and you are wrong.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 11:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:39:53 PM
Your argument was that "The reason it is not legalized in this day in age is because weed would easily help someone quit smoking tobacco", but as Zero pointed out people won't just switch just because they think that weed is better for them, in fact it wouldn't help their addiction any more than already legal products do. Therefore nothing you said has made any sense, you are embarrassing yourself, and you are wrong.

Yet again, my last post said

I did not say People will stop smoking tobacco.

I said Marijuana can help people get off of there addiction. Which is true.

It is true, it's a fact. Also, I would say that, that was not my only argument. However you most likely just did not read them because you have other things to do in your busy busy life.

I have stated the facts for what they are, and made many arguments on why it is not legalized. That's just one point, and it's a good one.

People like smoking tobacco. Myself included, I love to have a cigarettes from time to time, however since I have started smoking Weed I have drastically reduced the amount I smoke. Which is a good thing, not only is my point valid but I have seen it through personal experience. With myself and with many many friends. Again, people should not talk about a subject they have no idea about.

I'll go on to say that  I don't think in any circumstance weed has ruined anyone's life. *Just weed* other drugs sure, most are very very addictive and very deadly. Such as heroine and cocaine. However weed I don't think anyone should have a problem with. I would say getting high is slightly similar to being drunk, however you can control yourself much better.

I smoke weed, and I am going to college at Denver Metro and taking Psychology, Physiology and philosophy as my main classes. I passed Highschool with a GPA of 3.47 and I make more money than your parents playing Video games and i'm only 18.

I would say weed hasn't negatively effected me yet, hell look at Bush. Smoke weed and you can grow up to be the president.

I'll end my argument here, I can't change anyone here's opinion anymore than you can change mine.

If someone's mind is made up, that's it. It's the way the human mind works, if you think something you will continue to think that until you either try it for yourself or get proven wrong to such an extent it forces you to change your thinking.

I have a great life for an 18 year old. And weed helps me enjoy every second of it even more.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:48:26 PM
Well if that's true than you're just plain contradicting yourself. You're saying that the tobacco companies will lose business because people will stop smoking tobacco but people won't stop smoking because of the weed. You said that you gave up tobacco for weed. People already give up tobacco for all sorts of things, things that aren't illegal. The tobacco companies seem to be doing just fine. You can't even get your story straight and it makes no sense, like all crazy conspiracy theories. Are you high right now?
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 11:54:18 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:48:26 PM
Well if that's true than you're just plain contradicting yourself. You're saying that the tobacco companies will lose business because people will stop smoking tobacco but people won't stop smoking because of the weed. You said that you gave up tobacco for weed. People already give up tobacco for all sorts of things, things that aren't illegal. The tobacco companies seem to be doing just fine. You can't even get your story straight and it makes no sense, like all crazy conspiracy theories. Are you high right now?

I really dont' understand how you are reading my posts, most likely because you are not.

I'll break it down as simply as possible.

Smoking Marijuana will help people stop smoking.
People will still smoke because they enjoy it.
Those with a high addiction and use Marijuana as a substitute for a week and see how they feel, they will be doing less damage to themselvs and getting themselvs off of a highly addictive substance.
This is not the only way to get off of the addiction, however it is a way.
I stopped smoking so much tobacco because I started to smoke Weed.
My friends have as well.

Those are my points, try to understand a little bit, I know it must be hard for you to comprehend something so difficult

What really made my night was how you said *For all sorts of things, things that aren't illegal.

If this method was open for the public to try, it wouldn't be illegal. This is simply a statement that if it were, people WOULD use this as a replacement for Marijuana. Millions would still smoke tobacco, but some would not because of the legalization of Marijuana.

And that would cause the tobacco industry to lose money.

Very very simple concept here, try and understand it kid.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:59:52 PM
If those are your points, your points are garbage and anyone who is reading this will see that. If what you said is true, then the tobacco companies would have nothing to worry about. Weed would just be another minor competitor, if you can even call it that. People would still go for the tobacco en masse. You clearly have no idea how money works.

Well, I'm going to bed. I'm sure you'll respond with the same garbage you've been saying this whole thread, but I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that we're done here. Have fun living in your paranoid conspiracy ridden world.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 13, 2010, 12:05:06 AM
Quote from: Lelouch on June 12, 2010, 11:31:59 PM
Wow, just wow.

People are so stupid, it really makes me sad.


Well at least you have the capacity to realize your own stupidity. Grats.


Quote from: Lelouch on June 12, 2010, 11:31:59 PM
I did not say People will stop smoking tobacco.

I said Marijuana can help people get off of there addiction. Which is true.


You implied it, heavily.

and lol not to be redundant or anything but like I said, weed wouldn't exactly be the most effective option you'd have if you wanted to quit smoking. People wouldn't use it as a method to kick the nicotine habit unless it was marketed as such, and it won't ever be marketed as such because it probably won't ever be legalized.

If you really want to get into conspiracy theories, try one that makes sense. Most dealers that I've known actually don't want it legalized. They make plenty of money(plenty is an understatement) off of their crop and if it were legalized, they'd be out of a large portion of their income. Who's to say that the big dealers in the country aren't the ones bribing the government to keep the market underground? The more difficult something is to get, the higher the demand goes up. When demand increases, price level increases. It's BASIC econ and actually makes sense.

And again, not to be redundant, but unlike alcohol, prolonged marijuana abuse causes psychosis. I mentioned this in the beginning of the thread, and this fact is actually based on YEARS of research. There's more to meets the eye when it comes to pot, because it isn't that bad for you in short instances in small doses and can be great fun with hardly any setbacks in that time, but the fact that its almost always the first drug a meth-head or a crack-whore does before switching to hard drugs says it all. The government may just be trying to discourage drug abuse all together, at its source for all we know.

Alcohol should probably be illegal, yes, but we tried that almost a century ago and it backfired big time. If we tried it again, it could be possible with the way things work now, the government definitely has more power than they did back then. Therefore the whole "alcohol is legal so weed shouldn't be" argument is complete crap, because alcohol should probably be illegal in the first place. That won't stop a minority from getting their hands on it, yes, but at least its discouraged, like how murder is illegal, and ultimately discouraged, lol.(yes I notice the huge gap between alcohol abuse and murder)

Seriously though, how in the intercourse  did this thread go from SHOULD I SMOKE POT OR TELL MY FRIENDS TO FUCK OFF? to ULTRA SERIOUS WEED DEBATE V2

Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 12:12:59 AM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 11:59:52 PM
If those are your points, your points are garbage and anyone who is reading this will see that. If what you said is true, then the tobacco companies would have nothing to worry about. Weed would just be another minor competitor, if you can even call it that. People would still go for the tobacco en masse. You clearly have no idea how money works.

Well, I'm going to bed. I'm sure you'll respond with the same garbage you've been saying this whole thread, but I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that we're done here. Have fun living in your paranoid conspiracy ridden world.

K, so i'll respond to Zero and Cornwad with this.

My points are all true, valid and based off of experience and research. You'res are based off of what you think, and what you believe.

If weed were legalized Millions of people would start smoking it. There is a large percentage of people that do already, however it would double even triple if it were legalized.

You should look at the big picture and try to THINK about what your going to say before you say it.

Zero, here we are. Explain to me how I am being stupid, if you can explain it to me in an intellectual factual way then I will say your right.

However, I have never say anything was a government conspiracy. I said the government does what is beneficial to them. This is not any conspiracy, this is just a fact. There are hundreds upon hundreds of examples to go off of, and I have posted 2 of them.

Marijuana would help some people quit smoking tobacco. This is true, this is a fact. No matter how minor it is, it's a fact. If Marijuana were to be legalized millions would start to smoke it, I would say out of those millions of people, there would be a fair amount that would stop smoking tobacco so frequently.

Also, I hate to show how much of a dippoop you are but I said that Marijuana should be legal because it does not harm the body any more than tobacco or alcohol. It does less damage.

My argument, through this entire thread has been why it will NOT be legalized.

The crop itself does not have a large amount of value, it is very very easy to grow so the shops that sell it would not make a "Huge" profit, dealers would lose money, but most dealers deal hard drugs along with weed. So they will not be hurting to much.

Alcohol should be illegal, but it's not because the industries that distribute it make billions and that helps our economy and it is beneficial to the government.

If you can't connect point A to point B then you should not be discussing the aftermath.

I just read this section of your post, you basically said that Weed is a stepping stone drug, that it will make you want to try Meth, and Crack etc etc.

You went on to say that Weed is the first drug most of the addicts use.

Of course that's true. Weed is much easier to grow and obtain than Meth and Crack or Cocaine. It is also less expensive.

There is nothing in cannabis or Marijuana that makes you want to try anything else. If someone went on to try Meth or Cocaine or any hardcore drug I would say that 9 out of 10 times they would have done it regardless. This is also based on years of research.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: JrDude on June 13, 2010, 01:12:47 AM
This probably makes me sound like an idiot, but everyone on this forum already thinks I'm an idiot so I'll do it anyway.

Family Guy, it made an episode on basically what would happen if they legalized weed, poop loads of people would do it, then get high. I actually don't remember that episode so that part of the argument is kinda retarded and I should probably delete it but I won't.

Anyway, if millions of people do it, well, millions of people will be doing it. Don't understand? You don't get high off of Cigarettes, you get high off of weed, when you're high many stupid things happen, like said, you forget how to breathe and whatnot, forgetting how to breathe is bad, no matter how long it is.

My argument is short and dumb, but either way if you're on weed you're an idiot.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 13, 2010, 01:15:24 AM
If you so desperately want to know why you're being "stupid" then I'll clue you in, because I guess Cornwad telling you why isn't good enough, so here's a second opinion.

You're way past a state of being overly biased.
You make up false statistics
You bring up unproven conspiracy theories and claim them as fact
You seem to think that your "facts" are not conspiracies which proves that you don't know what a conspiracy even is for intercourse 's sake.
You have virtually NO understanding of how an economy works
You try to tell me to look at the "big picture"(which is something I've told you to do, hmm, odd) when you in fact are not looking at the issue from every angle, only yours.
You have no idea how your drug of choice plays into America's underground economy, because you're ignorant of just how much money even a run of the mill pot dealer makes off of pot a day.
Dealers aren't peddlers. They don't have everything all the darn time and most tend to focus on a specific type of drug. Weed has hundreds and hundreds of varieties each with a varying degree of potency and each requiring a specific method of growing and preparation. Your typical hard drug dealer, if they sell pot, will probably only carry a small amount of arizona fire mids and fire mids usually intercourse ing suck compared to poop like lemon kush or white widow. Only desperate poop holes and middle school kids buy that poop. So no most dealers DO NOT deal hard drugs. They get most of their money from pot simply because its the drug that is in highest demand. That's why it isn't cheaper, because of how much it is demanded. So of course the crop itself doesn't have much monetary value, but AGAIN, the higher the demand, the higher the price, which is why marijuana isn't a couple bucks for half a G like it would be without the demand for it. After you take the demand into account, its worth is multiplied severalfold and that is why the smart dealers get rich. It's easy money.

~


Don't twist my words around. I never said that it was set in stone, that a person that uses weed is going to try other drugs or that weed is going to make you want to try other drugs. STATISTICALLY however, most hard drug users started with pot, which obviously points to something if you use common sense. And no it doesn't point to OH SHIT THERES SOMETHING IN THE WEED THAT CAUSES HARD DRUG ABUSE! I never intercourse ing said that. It points to the obvious conclusion that if you get into the habit of using a drug, what's going to stop you from using another drug? If a drug becomes a part of your life, why not bring more drugs into your life? Not every stoner shares your "pot-only" mentality. As I mentioned earlier, many of them mix 2CE or oxy with their weed to achieve "maximum" effect.  Yes part of it has to do with how easy it is to obtain weed, but again you're not looking at the whole picture.

I don't care enough to continue further with this, maybe I'll do one more reply but after that I'm done. I'll let Cornwad deal with it. He's smart enough.

@JrDude:

lol I love that episode. Yeah that's one way to look at it. Productivity would slowly decrease and ultimately our nation's Gross Domestic Product would decrease which means bad things for our country. So no, your argument isn't completely without merit.




Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 07:22:49 AM
You can smoke weed and sig's you want just stop the other because you like to fell that good it's like saying your having sex and you want vagina-y but you also want head your not going to quit one for another
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
I took my time to make a conlusion based on my personal experiences.

my school is full of potheads. not just the typical druggie kids, but most of them are normal students, eevn athletes and honors students. it doesn't seem to effect them in any negative way.  sure, weed is often associated with kids who are failures, but in my experience, most people who do it are average people like me.

the average good students who smoke weed, typically don't do anything else drug related.  the druggie kids smoke weed, cigarettes, drink, whatever. that makes it pretty obvious that if weed were legalized many (more) people would start doing it but still not smoke cigarettes or do harder drugs. Why? because weed isn't as harmful to someone's health as cigarettes and alcohol. its less addictive in every way.

Now why would tobacco and alcohol be legal and weed would not?

It's quite simple, selling cigarettes and alcohol make money thereby stimulating the economy, while people can easily grow weed themselves and distribute it among others.

This would hurt the economy if anything because more people would opt to smoke weed instead of cigarettes if weed was legal, thereby losing cigarette companies money. I'm not saying people who smoke cigarettes would switch just to weed. I'm saying people who would have normally smoked cigarettes would choose only weed instead before they start.

My conclusion: Health is not the real reason why weed is illegal.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: Zero on June 13, 2010, 01:15:24 AM
If you so desperately want to know why you're being "stupid" then I'll clue you in, because I guess Cornwad telling you why isn't good enough, so here's a second opinion.

You're way past a state of being overly biased.
You make up false statistics
You bring up unproven conspiracy theories and claim them as fact
You seem to think that your "facts" are not conspiracies which proves that you don't know what a conspiracy even is for intercourse 's sake.
You have virtually NO understanding of how an economy works
You try to tell me to look at the "big picture"(which is something I've told you to do, hmm, odd) when you in fact are not looking at the issue from every angle, only yours.
You have no idea how your drug of choice plays into America's underground economy, because you're ignorant of just how much money even a run of the mill pot dealer makes off of pot a day.
Dealers aren't peddlers. They don't have everything all the darn time and most tend to focus on a specific type of drug. Weed has hundreds and hundreds of varieties each with a varying degree of potency and each requiring a specific method of growing and preparation. Your typical hard drug dealer, if they sell pot, will probably only carry a small amount of arizona fire mids and fire mids usually intercourse ing suck compared to poop like lemon kush or white widow. Only desperate poop holes and middle school kids buy that poop. So no most dealers DO NOT deal hard drugs. They get most of their money from pot simply because its the drug that is in highest demand. That's why it isn't cheaper, because of how much it is demanded. So of course the crop itself doesn't have much monetary value, but AGAIN, the higher the demand, the higher the price, which is why marijuana isn't a couple bucks for half a G like it would be without the demand for it. After you take the demand into account, its worth is multiplied severalfold and that is why the smart dealers get rich. It's easy money.

~


Don't twist my words around. I never said that it was set in stone, that a person that uses weed is going to try other drugs or that weed is going to make you want to try other drugs. STATISTICALLY however, most hard drug users started with pot, which obviously points to something if you use common sense. And no it doesn't point to OH SHIT THERES SOMETHING IN THE WEED THAT CAUSES HARD DRUG ABUSE! I never intercourse ing said that. It points to the obvious conclusion that if you get into the habit of using a drug, what's going to stop you from using another drug? If a drug becomes a part of your life, why not bring more drugs into your life? Not every stoner shares your "pot-only" mentality. As I mentioned earlier, many of them mix 2CE or oxy with their weed to achieve "maximum" effect.  Yes part of it has to do with how easy it is to obtain weed, but again you're not looking at the whole picture.

I don't care enough to continue further with this, maybe I'll do one more reply but after that I'm done. I'll let Cornwad deal with it. He's smart enough.

@JrDude:

lol I love that episode. Yeah that's one way to look at it. Productivity would slowly decrease and ultimately our nation's Gross Domestic Product would decrease which means bad things for our country. So no, your argument isn't completely without merit.

I have explained all of my points over and over and over again. Again, these are facts. I'm not being Biased about my argument, i'm saying what's true and your choosing not to believe it.

Do some research, then come back to me. Of course I bet you will either A. Not do anything and say you have. B. Check 1-2 pages and copy and paste.

Most hard drugs start with pot, again that is because pot is the easiest drug to come by, if I said to myself. "Hey, I want to try Meth" and my friend said "Nah bro try pot first." I would, because it is much easier to acquire. This point of YOUR argument is the weakest.

Pot is not a stepping stone drug, it's the one most people try first because it is the least dangerous, least expensive and easiest to acquire. Because someone smokes pot does not mean that they will try any harder drugs. Yet again if someone was going to try harder drugs it was because they planned on it from the beginning not because of pot.
I understand everything you think I don't, your just not opening your eyes to any of my points.
You will NEVER beat me in any argument, about anything. Just letting you know.
I know i'm right, and i'll continue to state all of the correct points.

And Jrdude I actually have that episode on tape, pretty good one.
Crime rate dropped, production was up. It would still be frowned upon to get high during work, just like it is to come to work drunk. You would be fired most likely.
You don't forget how to breath when your on pot, whoever told you that is a dippoop.

And Nik, is 100% correct.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 12:41:03 PM
yeah i saw that family guy too. thats actually where I first heard about that point from hemp vs. lumber.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
you do know that it a tv show that a comdy that somtimes make up stuff
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
you do know that it a tv show that a comdy that somtimes make up stuff

never in my arguement did i say i believed or agreed with. i'm just saying thats where i first heard that argument. thats why i said i was suspecting of that but i wasn't sure.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
I really don't care if you like weed or not. If I'm lucky I'll never need to associate with that class of people. What makes my blood boil is when some poop hole starts poisoning minds with some bullpoop conspiracy theory with no ground in reality.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
I agree?
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
I really don't care if you like weed or not. If I'm lucky I'll never need to associate with that class of people. What makes my blood boil is when some poop hole starts poisoning minds with some bullpoop conspiracy theory with no ground in reality.

its not a conspiracy, its common sense. you want a conspiracy, try that new world order bullpoop
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 13, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
its not a conspiracy, its common sense. you want a conspiracy, try that new world order bullpoop


See? The weakest minds have already been corrupted. We've spent the last 4 pages or show making it clear that it makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 13, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
its not a conspiracy, its common sense. you want a conspiracy, try that new world order bullpoop
now that is Bull poop
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 01:10:10 PM
See? The weakest minds have already been corrupted. We've spent the last 4 pages or show making it clear that it makes no sense whatsoever.

the reasons for weed being illegal really comes down to what the motives are for the people in power that make it illegal. if thats not common sense then i don't know what is.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: MoS on June 13, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
ITT: People with no facts or sources arguing with other people with no facts or sources, people making exaggerated analogies, and people that don't know how to be constructive to a conversation.

QuotePeople are so stupid

QuoteI'm sure you'll respond with the same garbage

Quotewe can hardly take what a pot head says seriously

QuoteAre you high right now?


You all get an F-
I'll see you in detention, you'll be writing a 6 page minimum essay with sources cited, MLA format.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 13, 2010, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: Lelouch on June 13, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
I have explained all of my points over and over and over again. Again, these are facts. I'm not being Biased about my argument, i'm saying what's true and your choosing not to believe it.


That's the thing, you aren't providing any FUCKING facts. You're just spewing how you think things are, when YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE. Do you even know what we're arguing about anymore?
Quote from: Lelouch on June 13, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Do some research, then come back to me. Of course I bet you will either A. Not do anything and say you have. B. Check 1-2 pages and copy and paste.


YOU do research. You've clearly shown that you don't do your research and if you are doing research you're just doing it on a biased hemp conspiracy site that holds no merit at all.

Quote from: Lelouch on June 13, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Most hard drugs start with pot, again that is because pot is the easiest drug to come by, if I said to myself. "Hey, I want to try Meth" and my friend said "Nah bro try pot first." I would, because it is much easier to acquire. This point of YOUR argument is the weakest.


Holy poop did you even read what I said? You clearly didn't. I said that while pot being one of the easiest drugs to acquire is true and it certainly factors into the equation as to why hard drug users usually start with pot, IT BRINGS THEM INTO THE DRUG USING LIFESTYLE YOU ILLITERATE MORON. When you start doing drugs, why stop with just pot? Clearly this isn't how it works for most people, like I said before, but for a group of people, it really is a "gateway" into the drug using lifestyle. Jesus intercourse ing christ you can't read.

Quote from: Lelouch on June 13, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Pot is not a stepping stone drug, it's the one most people try first because it is the least dangerous, least expensive and easiest to acquire. Because someone smokes pot does not mean that they will try any harder drugs. Yet again if someone was going to try harder drugs it was because they planned on it from the beginning not because of pot.
I understand everything you think I don't, your just not opening your eyes to any of my points.
You will NEVER beat me in any argument, about anything. Just letting you know.
I know i'm right, and i'll continue to state all of the correct points.


No you don't understand anything I've intercourse ing said. You haven't debunked a single thing I've said, and that being said you can't debate at all. I've already been over everything a hundred times. This is why I've become frustrated and truth be told, I'll try to see to it that you never post in a serious discussion thread ever again, because this is what this thread has become.

Quote from: Lelouch on June 13, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Crime rate dropped, production was up. It would still be frowned upon to get high during work, just like it is to come to work drunk. You would be fired most likely.
You don't forget how to breath when your on pot, whoever told you that is a dippoop.


Production more than likely wouldn't be up, first of all. Most stoners have inferior grades and have hardly any work ethic.

It was a intercourse ing joke lol. When you smoke, as great as it feels you still feel like a retard.

I've grown tired of this poop. You're the kind of faggot that gives stoners a bad name.

I'm done.



Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
you got it wrong.
most stoners don't have poor grades or work ethic. most of them are normal students. One example: my school is full of potheads but has an above average graduation rate.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: Zero on June 13, 2010, 01:22:58 PM
I've grown tired of this poop. You're the kind of faggot that gives stoners a bad name.

I'll agree with that. Based on this thread, one would think that pot has the negative side effect of turning you into a complete poop hole.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
Name calling...Pfffth really guys pot head, just say weed smokers
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 01:33:09 PM
I'll agree with that. Based on this thread, one would think that pot has the negative side effect of turning you into a complete poop hole.

Nah, i'm just a complete poop hole.

I'v gone through more poop than you or Zero combined. You couldn't even imagine. Which is why i'm such an poop hole to people. I see the world and the people for who they really are.

I started smoking after an irriversable moment in my life, that I wanted to forget. I drink, and I started to smoke because of that incident. I was Anti-weed very very Anti-Drug because my parents were hardcore users, they used Meth, Crack, Coke etc. They gave me to an orphanage because my birth was a mistake. Which is why I was so hard against drugs, I was just like you were Cornwad. Ignorant.

I do my research.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm These are negative effects, and I have experienced all of them. When I smoke in high doses I experience a massive form of paranoia, I become very afraid of the smallest sounds I hear.
However, the majority of the harmful effects are also found in tobacco products.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Legalize-Marijuana

That, is a very very good argument that focuses on the medicinal properties of the drug.

http://www.hemphasis.net/Paper/paper_files/hempvtree.htm

this, is focusing on the Hemp vs Tree argument. It has TONS of great points about it.

http://scienceblog.com/cms/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html

This talks about how Marijuana can and can not be a gateway drug.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/ And this, talks about the common myths and facts about Weed.

Read the papers, do your own research.

Know what your talking about before you say it.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
Wah wah wah, you have no idea what I've gone through. This is my only way to cope with the cruelty of the world. Don't talk about what you don't understand.

... That doesn't really work with text.

The funny part is that you're still wrong and have no idea what you're talking about. Those sources don't back up your crazy conspiracies. At all.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
Wah wah wah, you have no idea what I've gone through. This is my only way to cope with the cruelty of the world. Don't talk about what you don't understand.

... That doesn't really work with text.

The funny part is that you're still wrong and have no idea what you're talking about. Those sources don't back up your crazy conspiracies. At all.

I state facts.
I state my opinion.
I post a few of my sources.

Yet you still refuse to A. Read them or B. Even think about my opinion.

I know what you think, because I have thought of it before. I have experience hating marijuana, being anti drug and I have experience in doing it.

I would say I have more of a foothold and more experience in this subject than you do. That's not something you can argue about, that's just a fact.

What you are basically saying is "This is my opinion, I will continue to think this way"

That's fine, you can think what you want. But none of your key points are correct.

And really, what have you gone through? Getting scolded by your parents, a fight with a friend? A breakup?

You have no idea what pain is. Physically, and mentally.
However, this is not on subject. So i'll leave that, at that.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
I don't care what you've gone through. I don't think anybody cares. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with why weed isn't legal.

I think we've already established that weed isn't necessarily worse for you than alcohol or tobacco. But what hasn't been shown and doesn't exist is evidence that the tobacco companies would lose a significant profit if people had access to weed. People who smoke tobacco religiously want tobacco, not weed. Even if a few people switched to weed, plenty more would take up tobacco. If weed isn't a gateway drug like your link says, tobacco companies have nothing to worry about. Your argument contradicts itself and does not make sense. Just because you and your friends switched doesn't mean a significant amount of people will, that's what you don't understand.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
I don't care what you've gone through. I don't think anybody cares. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with why weed isn't legal.

I think we've already established that weed isn't necessarily worse for you than alcohol or tobacco. But what hasn't been shown and doesn't exist is evidence that the tobacco companies would lose a significant profit if people had access to weed. People who smoke tobacco religiously want tobacco, not weed. Even if a few people switched to weed, plenty more would take up tobacco. If weed isn't a gateway drug like your link says, tobacco companies have nothing to worry about. Your argument contradicts itself and does not make sense. Just because you and your friends switched doesn't mean a significant amount of people will, that's what you don't understand.

Please, extend on the sentence that I bolded.

Weed is not legal, millions upon millions of people do not smoke Marijuana because of this.

Many people who have smoked tobacco to get that feeling of light headedness. The reason Nicotine is addicting is because it is calming and makes you feel good.

Marijuana does the same thing, however in a much more enlightened state. I would say that 6-10 cases *This is my opinion but I would be willing to be it is true* that if someone was given the choice to smoke tobacco or Marijuana if Both were legal. They would choose Marijuana.

Again, I have experience in this. You do not, your are giving me your opinion when I have seen with my own two eyes that this happens.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
I'm sure those few people would switch. There are also many people who are perfectly fine with tobacco, and many people who don't have the will to quit even if they wanted to. A few would switch, but not enough for the companies to really care.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
I'm sure those few people would switch. There are also many people who are perfectly fine with tobacco, and many people who don't have the will to quit even if they wanted to. A few would switch, but not enough for the companies to really care.

I have already said close to exact what you just said.

I have stated Many people would not stop smoking. Many people do it, because they like to.

I smoke ciggs with my friends, it's a social activity we can do in public. I did not quit, however I do not smoke them very frequently.

As I have said as well, millions of people would start to smoke weed. An amount would stop ciggs because of Marijuana.

But this is a point I would like you to think about.

If Marijuana was legal, the next generation of smokers would smoke Marijuana instead of Tobacco. And that is when they would start to lose a mass amount of money.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
Not necessarily, there is no reason to assume that people will stop taking up smoking tobacco if weed is legalized. The current generation already has access to plenty of weed, yet like you said many of them still go for the tobacco. Noww you're just going into the theoretical, based on little logic.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Chrona on June 13, 2010, 04:53:15 PM
..I don't think anything is wrong with it..but you shouldn't smoke....if your caught you could go to jail..
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
Not necessarily, there is no reason to assume that people will stop taking up smoking tobacco if weed is legalized. The current generation already has access to plenty of weed, yet like you said many of them still go for the tobacco. Noww you're just going into the theoretical, based on little logic.

yeah, many of them go for the tobacco, but most of the kids go for the weed.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 05:49:23 PM
Yeah, the kids do both too. That's what I said.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 05:58:50 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 05:49:23 PM
Yeah, the kids do both too. That's what I said.

what i'm saying is that weed is more popular to kids rather than cigarettes. people who smoke cigarettes often smoke weed too, at least younger people. But not the other way around. Just off my personal experience.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 06:03:48 PM
There are also plenty of people who smoke tobacco without any weed. Either way, they're two separate things that have little effect on each other.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 07:21:27 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
Not necessarily, there is no reason to assume that people will stop taking up smoking tobacco if weed is legalized. The current generation already has access to plenty of weed, yet like you said many of them still go for the tobacco. Noww you're just going into the theoretical, based on little logic.

Yes, we have plenty of access. But you can't deny that if it were legal the popularity and usage of weed would sky rocket.

Yeah, it is illegal, which is why your responsible when you do it.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 07:23:57 PM
I actually wouldn't be surprised if a few people stopped smoking weed if it was legalized. People wouldn't feel like rebels if they were smoking something legal. But even if it did skyrocket, it wouldn't be enough to make a dent in tobacco profits, considering they are two distinct things. By your logic, people would stop drinking too. Either way, that conspiracy theory was dumb.

But this stopped being fun a while ago. I'm going to stop now. I suggest you do to.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 07:30:43 PM
It's NOT a conspiracy theory. I said some people would stop smoking tobacco and the tobacco industry would lose money.

This is TRUE it is a FACT.

If weed were legalized as I said the NEW generation of smokers would most likely smoke weed over Tobacco, if someone was not addicted to it. Then they would go straight to Weed. I make this assumption based on why people start to smoke cigarettes in the first place. To get that light headed feeling, to feel calm. Or maybe because they were pressured into doing it from there friends.

Weed would become more popular than cigarettes. Not right away, but after a decade or two a noticeable difference would start to occur.


This is my opinion. And I would be willing to bet that it's true.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 13, 2010, 07:56:15 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 13, 2010, 07:23:57 PM
I actually wouldn't be surprised if a few people stopped smoking weed if it was legalized. People wouldn't feel like rebels if they were smoking something legal. But even if it did skyrocket, it wouldn't be enough to make a dent in tobacco profits, considering they are two distinct things. By your logic, people would stop drinking too. Either way, that conspiracy theory was dumb.

But this stopped being fun a while ago. I'm going to stop now. I suggest you do to.

a lot of people feel like rebels when they smoke cigarettes because of the whole anti-smoking movement. I'm sure the same would apply to weed if it were legalized.
and if it were legalized, tobacco companies would lose profits. People would choose to start smoking weed intead of starting to smoke cigarettes because growing weed is cheaper & easier than forking over all that money for a pack of cigarettes.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Keeta on June 13, 2010, 08:31:14 PM
this thread is intercourse in lol

fact of the matter is that weed is for angsty kids

trying to defend it just because you havent outgrown it yet is almost as bad as trying to defend nickelback as a good band

btw, nobody will ever give a poop about your high school GPA after you get into college and halo will not be there to give you a career

grow up ;)
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: JrDude on June 14, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Wow, I can't believe I read this whole thread, I could've read everything on page 3 or something.

You guys are saying the same intercourse ing things over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Keep going, I wanna see how long this can go, Light + Zero + Corn Vs. Pothead + Personwhojustsayswhatthepotheadsays
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Zero on June 14, 2010, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Nik on June 13, 2010, 07:56:15 PM
People would choose to start smoking weed intead of starting to smoke cigarettes because growing weed is cheaper & easier than forking over all that money for a pack of cigarettes.


I've already countered this argument. Not getting back into it.

At any rate, this is just intercourse ing ridiculous.

The only thing that's come of this thread is that I've developed a very deep respect for Cornwad, who seems to be the only one actually using his brain.

God this thread makes me facepalm so hard

Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Totla on June 14, 2010, 10:22:16 AM
WEED IS AWESOME YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 14, 2010, 01:55:54 PM
 i just wanna say that i never denied that weed is bad for you. All i'm saying is that it doesn't make any sense how weed is illegal while cigarettes and alcohol are legal, even though they are worse for you. It's not logical. Thats why i came to the conclusion that health obviously is not the reason why weed is illegal. I hate seeing it when people are against weed just because its illegal and they don't even question why, they just go along  with what they are told.

A lot of people disagree with me, but thats ok its their loss.
I'm just gonna go ahead and break the barrier by questioning authority and not being a vagina-y. ;)
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 14, 2010, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 14, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Keep going, I wanna see how long this can go, Light + Zero + Corn Vs. Pothead + Personwhojustsayswhatthepotheadsays


Nah, I officially gave up. At this point Pothead and Personwhojustsayswhatthepotheadsays have let this thing go on too long. Their own stubbornness keeps them from admitting they're wrong after all of this, and I can't blame them. This is really embarrassing for them.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: tibar21 on June 14, 2010, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 14, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Wow, I can't believe I read this whole thread, I could've read everything on page 3 or something.

You guys are saying the same intercourse ing things over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Keep going, I wanna see how long this can go, Light + Zero + Corn Vs. Pothead + Personwhojustsayswhatthepotheadsays

i don't say what someone else says i have my own opinion. you guys are just saying that cause you disagree with me, which quite honestly is pretty low.
I made it clear that my opinion on weed is based on my own experiences. I never said that I endorsed the hemp/lumber reasoning. If you would actually read my reasoning, you should be able to understand it - its very simple and based on logic and common sense.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Totla on June 14, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
You're all idiots and shut up.
No, seriously.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: JrDude on June 14, 2010, 11:59:14 PM
Quote from: Totla on June 14, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
You're all idiots and shut up.
No, seriously.
I'm done.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Totla on June 15, 2010, 07:34:47 AM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 14, 2010, 11:59:14 PM
I'm done.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Missingno6 on June 15, 2010, 04:13:50 PM
Damn, this thread grew while I was gone.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: JrDude on June 15, 2010, 11:22:11 PM
ur cool bro
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Psilocybin on June 16, 2010, 06:11:27 AM
Lol this entire thread is full of misinformation and people talking out their asses.
Let's see some citations for either side.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 11:43:23 AM
We don't need citations. We're right.
Title: Re: Weed. . .
Post by: PrivilegedYoshi on June 16, 2010, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: Totla on June 14, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
You're all idiots and shut up.
No, seriously.

Totla locked this thread.

It wasn't me.

I swear.