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Title: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 11:28:19 AM
It's coming out this holiday season, and while the console hasn't been shown, the Dualshock 4 has been.
(http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/02/Dualshock-4-3-610x343.jpg)

The console's promoting a lot of high-end social gaming features, like live-streaming your online friend's gameplay and sending people screenshots in-game, so there's even a button labeled "Share" on the actual controller. There's a tiny touch pad, too, and while I'm not sure what good it would do, it is at least multi-tap capable (as opposed to Nintendo's single touch products). There's also a light on the front that lets it use PS Move-level motion control thanks to the new Playstation Eye, which is essentially an HD 60fps Kinect that comes with the console.

The list of games includes exclusives such as Killzone: Shadow Fall and inFAMOUS: Second Son (the latter of which has multiple playable characters, none of which are Cole) as well as notable ports such as Diablo 3, Destiny, and Watch Dogs (the last of which has also been confirmed for Wii U!).

Graphically speaking, it's essentially a high-end PC, which is an improvement over the PS3 and the strongest home console to date; however, while it's technically stronger than Wii U, demo videos show that there is by no means a generation-sized gap like PS3-Wii.

At any rate, the whole thing looks pretty sweet; it'll probably be pretty expensive, though, so I might not get it for a while (I've gotten every Sony console near the end of its life).
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 21, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
Won't get it at launch but will eventually get one.

The next Xbox is, going off of what we know from leaks, going to have a major Kinect focus. Microsoft has already given up on their development teams and doesn't seem to want to compete with Sony and Nintendo's core side anymore. They're just going to focus on the casuals.

I'm glad I jumped ship a couple years ago
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
This just in: the thing has ZERO backwards compatibility.

That's a shame; and to think I was complaining about Wii U's roundabout backwards compatibility. Still, at least there are actually internal reasons for it, as opposed to their backhand-to-the-face that was PS3's "backwards" compatibility.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Z on February 21, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
Nintendo's core side

cute
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 12:00:01 PM
cute

Wii was literally the only console they ever made where the core was not either the direct focus or was so heavily present that it didn't matter who they focused on. Don't be a noob.

'sides, he's talking specifically about the new gen, and both Wii U's lineup and 3DS's library look pretty awesome so far.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
so catching up to where they should have been last generation and throwing a couple new gimmicks on counts as core now

got it

the next xbox will have just as many core games, graphics and gimmicks that aren't 5+ years out of date from day one and yet it's the casual console?
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Tupin on February 21, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
Kinect integration on the next Xbox and whatever the hell the PS4 is doing will insure that neither of these systems will be taken seriously. Kinect just does not work for most games. Even Nintendo realized that you had to have some sort of non-motion based input to go with motion controls, and that was in 2006. The Move is such a failure that I cannot believe Sony is trying to keep going with motion controls. Nobody I knew ever owned one, and the games for it never seemed that impressive.

My PC that I built last year is more powerful than this thing. That and the fact that they showed off their new system with a Killzone game and an inFamous game doesn't impress me since both of those games were done better elsewhere. I'm sure they'll show a fourth Uncharted game soon, too. They weren't reasons to buy a PS3, and they won't be reasons to buy a PS4.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 21, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
so catching up to where they should have been last generation and throwing a couple new gimmicks on counts as core now

got it

the next xbox will have just as many core games, graphics and gimmicks that aren't 5+ years out of date from day one and yet it's the casual console?

The Xbox 360 in the last two to three years has almost completely focused on Kinect. Microsoft has pretty much killed all of their development teams(MGS and Ensemble), including Rare(kinect games and avatar bullpoop). How exactly is it not the casual console? What 360 games came out last year that weren't multiplat and weren't Kinect? The list is abysmally small. On top of all that, take out the shooters. You now have nothing. And they're still succeeding. The next Xbox will be a continuation of this crap.

Quote from: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
This just in: the thing has ZERO backwards compatibility.

That's a shame; and to think I was complaining about Wii U's roundabout backwards compatibility. Still, at least there are actually internal reasons for it, as opposed to their backhand-to-the-face that was PS3's "backwards" compatibility.

Incorrect. It'll have a cloud-feature where you can play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. They didn't give us any more details than that. Lets not forget the PSN Store where you can get PS1, PS2, and PS3 games anyway. Maybe they can figure out a feature where it reads the disc and grants you access to the cloud version of that game or something.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: Z on February 21, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
Incorrect. It'll have a cloud-feature where you can play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. They didn't give us any more details than that. Lets not forget the PSN Store where you can get PS1, PS2, and PS3 games anyway. Maybe they can figure out a feature where it reads the disc and grants you access to the cloud version of that game or something.

I'd hardly refer to a Virtual Console as "backwards compatibility" since you have to rebuy everything and have a sturdy enough internet connection every time you do. The fact that it's streaming will only make it worse; there are plenty of people who have a rough enough time downloading games on PSN, let alone streaming them. Still, better than nothing.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Custom on February 21, 2013, 01:28:12 PM
i'm hoping to get the new xbox, but if they dump backwards compatibility from the 360 i'll probably eventually jump ship to this. it looks pretty nice and microsoft has been choking on cock lately. plus i couldn't get less of a intercourse  about fps games anymore. I'm hoping the PS4 will have the influx of great looking japanese games the PS3 received. The xbox missed out on a ton of good ones, although got a few like deathsmiles. and i'm intercourse ign sick of the constant hardware failure, not gonna trust them follow them without good reasoning.


Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
so catching up to where they should have been last generation and throwing a couple new gimmicks on counts as core now

got it

the next xbox will have just as many core games, graphics and gimmicks that aren't 5+ years out of date from day one and yet it's the casual console?

lol do you even play video games? nintendo still has a core side
and protip, the difference between core and casual isn't hardware or gritty gears of war graphics
games like SMTxFE, FE Awakening, the new monolith software game, and even intercourse ing kid icarus on 3ds aren't casual
i wouldn't even really place pikmin on the casual side, especially if they add the timed element back in
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: Z on February 21, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
The Xbox 360 in the last two to three years has almost completely focused on Kinect. Microsoft has pretty much killed all of their development teams(MGS and Ensemble), including Rare(kinect games and avatar bullpoop). How exactly is it not the casual console? What 360 games came out last year that weren't multiplat and weren't Kinect? The list is abysmally small. On top of all that, take out the shooters. You now have nothing. And they're still succeeding. The next Xbox will be a continuation of this crap.

how is that any different from what nintendo has done for the last 6 years? the fact that the handful of core games are rehashed marios and zeldas instead of rehashed shooters is only a matter of taste.

I'm not arguing that Microsoft has not gone full on casual, but to claim that nintendo is doing anything different is absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 02:09:16 PM
Nintendo WAS, but now Nintendo isn't.

Heck, the 3DS eShop has had more exclusive core titles than Xbox 360 has lately. Then you take into account the pretty impressive physical library the 3DS already has (two different Mario platformers, Star Fox, Zelda, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil, Fire Emblem, Kingdom Hearts, etc), plus the big lineup they have ahead (DKCR 3D, Mario&Luigi 4, Pokemon X/Y, Monster Hunter 3U & 4, Project X Zone, Pheonix Wright, Professor Layton, Pheonix Wright vs Professor Layton, Smash Bros, etc.), plus all the stuff on Wii U (Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, CoD, the best 2D Mario since the SNES, Arkham, etc.) PLUS all the stuff coming out for Wii U (Pikmin, Bayonetta, Watch Dogs, Rayman, Smash Bros, new 3D Mario, Monster Hunter 3U, Wonderful 101, etc.). Nintendo said it wants to be core again, and it's definitely on its way, especially now that it's earning more trust of 3rd parties.

The only people who say Nintendo isn't core are the ones not playing; even the Wii, King of Casual, had a slew of awesome 1st party titles and quite a few sweet 3rd parties as well (NMH1&2, Red Steel 2, MadWorld, Tatsunoku vs Capcom, etc.).

Now, this is a PS4 thread, so if you wanna keep spewing absolute nonsense, do it... well, nowhere.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:26:43 PM
oh joy a bunch of remakes and rereleases. every console is casual as intercourse  now. your precious nintendo is not any better than the rest.


ps4 included, now this is relevant. who the intercourse  tries to shut down conversation on a dead forum anyway?
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Custom on February 21, 2013, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:26:43 PM
oh joy a bunch of remakes and rereleases. every console is casual as intercourse  now. your precious nintendo is not any better than the rest.


ps4 included, now this is relevant. who the intercourse  tries to shut down conversation on a dead forum anyway?

how does that make them not core? idiot. stop fishing for nothing
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
a couple of core games that can already be played elsewhere doesnt make the wii u a core console. or any more core than the next xbox will be as was the original statement.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Custom on February 21, 2013, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
a couple of core games that can already be played elsewhere doesnt make the wii u a core console. or any more core than the next xbox will be as was the original statement.

not worth my time
almost as bad as kayo
sorry kid, nintendo's still going hard
hopefully microsoft throws you a bone at you one of these days
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
i still almost exclusively play nintendo games. doesnt mean i have to be delusional enough to think im their primary audience, or that they're better than any other company out there.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Tupin on February 21, 2013, 03:07:57 PM
PS4 Conference: SHOOTER SHOOTER SHOOTER ACTION GAME RACING GAME DIABLO

Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 21, 2013, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
how is that any different from what nintendo has done for the last 6 years? the fact that the handful of core games are rehashed marios and zeldas instead of rehashed shooters is only a matter of taste.

I'm not arguing that Microsoft has not gone full on casual, but to claim that nintendo is doing anything different is absolutely ridiculous.

Okay, yeah. We could cherry pick from either side and in the end it'd be a matter of taste. I'll concede to that.

To say that Nintendo isn't trying to cater to 'core' audiences these days is flat out wrong though. Look at the Pro Controller. Look at the fact that they're publishing a couple of Platinum's games. Look at what is projected for 2013 and beyond.

We have Gears of War Judgement and a bunch of Kinect poop from Microsoft and that's it. They're late to the party, and I'm just betting that they're giving up on catering to the core audience because they've given up on internally developed titles that aren't Forza Motorsport, Halo, or Kinect games and on top of that don't seem to be in the publishing business these days either. Nintendo and Sony still publish and develop games internally. It isn't far fetched to bet against Microsoft.

This stuff could be because they're focusing on the Nextbox but seeing as the past couple of years have been stagnant for MS outside of Kinect I just don't think the Nextbox will be anything but casual bullpoop like the Wii initially was, except without charming first party titles to back it up.

Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: The Riddler on February 21, 2013, 06:24:36 PM
i'm not talking about it because i'm not impressed
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Kayo on February 21, 2013, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
i still almost exclusively play nintendo games. doesnt mean i have to be delusional enough to think im their primary audience, or that they're better than any other company out there.
it's funny because even I can tell that you're about as wrong as you could possibly be here in this thread.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 21, 2013, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 21, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
a couple of core games that can already be played elsewhere doesnt make the wii u a core console. or any more core than the next xbox will be as was the original statement.

If ports don't count as core games then Nintendo is already the most core company by a mile. Stop grasping at the air.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: on February 21, 2013, 10:45:05 PM
What if Nintendo's primary audience were people that play on their console and play their games?



Also, I'm not too sure about some of these features on the PS4.  How well their actually going to work for a lot of people at this point in time. Such as the streaming service.




And some things I've heard about the next xbox haven't been too appealing either, but those were mostly rumors I think.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Kayo on February 22, 2013, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: Died on February 21, 2013, 10:45:05 PM
What if Nintendo's primary audience were people that play on their console and play their games?



Also, I'm not too sure about some of these features on the PS4.  How well their actually going to work for a lot of people at this point in time. Such as the streaming service.




And some things I've heard about the next xbox haven't been too appealing either, but those were mostly rumors I think.
there are quite a few nasty rumors out about the Durango (such as one that said that internet access would be REQUIRED to play games, even by yourself) that should just be ignored at this point.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Neerb on February 23, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
So, remember how Nintendo's stocks dropped after announcing the Wii U?

Well, Sony's stock dropped shortly after revealing the PS4.

And funnily enough, Nintendo's stock rose at the same time.

Do investors not like the idea that the companies are going to be selling new consoles?
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 23, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Neerb on February 23, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
So, remember how Nintendo's stocks dropped after announcing the Wii U?

Well, Sony's stock dropped shortly after revealing the PS4.

And funnily enough, Nintendo's stock rose at the same time.

Do investors not like the idea that the companies are going to be selling new consoles?

I guess its seen as a huge risk. Investors want guaranteed success, which is pure fantasy to begin with.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Kayo on February 23, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: Neerb on February 23, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
So, remember how Nintendo's stocks dropped after announcing the Wii U?

Well, Sony's stock dropped shortly after revealing the PS4.

And funnily enough, Nintendo's stock rose at the same time.

Do investors not like the idea that the companies are going to be selling new consoles?
Pretty much exactly what Zero said. Good time to buy, though, before it comes back up again (and it will).
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Super on February 23, 2013, 11:11:55 PM
All of you are intercourse ing idiots.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: CoasterKid93 on February 24, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Super on February 23, 2013, 11:11:55 PM
All of you are intercourse ing idiots.

Shut the intercourse  up, David Spade. Go back to blowing Adam Sandler for your paycheck WOW
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Super on February 24, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on February 24, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Shut the intercourse  up, David Spade. Go back to blowing Adam Sandler for your paycheck WOW
;_;
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Super on February 24, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
I'm hoping the upcoming E3 won't be as poopty as last year's. Maybe there will be some actual games and not NIKE+ CONNECTIVITY FUCK YES everywhere.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 24, 2013, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on February 24, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Shut the intercourse  up, David Spade. Go back to blowing Adam Sandler for your paycheck WOW
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Custom on February 24, 2013, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: Super on February 24, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
I'm hoping the upcoming E3 won't be as poopty as last year's. Maybe there will be some actual games and not NIKE+ CONNECTIVITY FUCK YES everywhere.

inb4 generic fps games everywhere
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 24, 2013, 03:42:10 PM
The market is over-saturated with FPS games. You'd think people would be bored of them by now.

Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Tupin on February 24, 2013, 04:40:11 PM
I don't want every game to be a gritty and generic FPS, but I also don't want every game to be "2edgy/obscure4u" in trying to break away from it.

The market is over-saturated with "retro-inspired" platformers and games that feel like they have to make a point instead of just being fun but it doesn't stop the praise for them.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Tupin on February 24, 2013, 04:41:16 PM
Oh, and Sony showing a Killzone game and an inFamous game could not have made me want the PS4 any less. Those are tired genres to begin with, and they're not even the best of their respective genres.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: CoasterKid93 on February 24, 2013, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: Tupin on February 24, 2013, 04:41:16 PM
Oh, and Sony showing a Killzone game and an inFamous game could not have made me want the PS4 any less. Those are tired genres to begin with, and they're not even the best of their respective genres.

See, Killzone is easily one of the best Sony exclusives out there and is really engaging for a first person shooter.
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Zero on February 24, 2013, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Tupin on February 24, 2013, 04:41:16 PM
Oh, and Sony showing a Killzone game and an inFamous game could not have made me want the PS4 any less. Those are tired genres to begin with, and they're not even the best of their respective genres.

Infamous is probably the best sandbox game I've played. If not the best, right up there with Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2/Hulk: Ultimate Destruction.

Prototype was a snore fest man
Title: Re: Holy moly is literally no one talking about the PS4?
Post by: Custom on March 06, 2013, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: Z on February 24, 2013, 08:28:03 PM
Infamous is probably the best sandbox game I've played. If not the best, right up there with Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2/Hulk: Ultimate Destruction.

Prototype was a snore fest man

prototype was too edgy for me
hoodies man, hoodies