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Title: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 05:39:22 PM
Goddarnit Game Freak. -.- More details later. All we know now is that they'll have new Kyurem formes.

(http://i.imgur.com/I9Mvc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mRWjU.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/6JTE5.jpg)

Black Kyurem and White Kyurem

Japan: June 2012
NA: Fall 2012
EU: Fall 2012
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: X-3 on February 25, 2012, 05:48:01 PM
So, direct sequels. Wonder how that'll work out. I guess that might be part of the reason why it's on DS rather than 3DS, though they still should have put them on the 3DS.
edit: hmm well this is a lot more acceptable than that Nobunaga game being on DS I guess.

Also wow Kyurem makes everything look silly. Zekrom has inherited its hunchback. Reshiram might be slightly improved though.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 05:53:56 PM
I calmed down, since I figured out what's going on now. These games release in June in Japan. Most likely, these will be the last Gen V games and Gen VI will start on 3DS next year. This also likely means they'll be released worldwide this fall.

This explains why Ash has been getting badges so quickly in the anime. This is a short generation.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 06:08:24 PM
Confirmed for US: http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/

They're definitely coming this year.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on February 25, 2012, 06:19:04 PM
This is a little ridiculous.

They couldn't just do Gray?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on February 25, 2012, 06:25:03 PM
The fact that these aren't made for 3DS is horrible. It seemed for a brief moment that the whole reason they did Black 2 and White 2 instead of Gray was so they could make a dual-version game for 3DS without quite going next-gen, but instead I guess GameFreak is just too scared of the fact that 3DS could finally let them make a 3D main title and they're still unable to program more than sprites. Sprites which, by the way, look far worse on the 3DS's mind-boggling "new tech makes old games look worse" backwards-compatibility.

However, the "2" is kinda interesting... if it's a whole new game instead of the usual "special edition" third game, I may have to check it out...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on February 25, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
the 3DS's mind-boggling "new tech makes old games look worse" backwards-compatibility.

there is nothing mind boggling about the fact that sprites look poopty at anything but their default scale.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
The fact that these aren't made for 3DS is horrible. It seemed for a brief moment that the whole reason they did Black 2 and White 2 instead of Gray was so they could make a dual-version game for 3DS without quite going next-gen, but instead I guess GameFreak is just too scared of the fact that 3DS could finally let them make a 3D main title and they're still unable to program more than sprites. Sprites which, by the way, look far worse on the 3DS's mind-boggling "new tech makes old games look worse" backwards-compatibility.

However, the "2" is kinda interesting... if it's a whole new game instead of the usual "special edition" third game, I may have to check it out...
The fact that they're being announced less than four months before release and it's releasing three months earlier than expected means one thing: these are stopgap games.  Game Freak likely needs extra time to develop they're first full 3D game ever, so they got one team (likely the HG/SS team) to work on these while the other team (the B1/W1 team) works on Gen VI. That means that they're making more than 750 3D models just counting the Pokemon. Cut them some slack. It was likely this or nothing until next year.

I'm guessing it'll be the same region with no new Pokemon, but the story will be a direct sequel.

Also, what zeph said. There was nothing Nintendo could do about the scaling other than making the resolution exactly 4x the DS's resolution, which would have been very expensive and effectively cut the 3DS's graphics potential in half unless they made it twice as powerful, which would have increased the price and cut the battery life.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on February 25, 2012, 07:10:57 PM
i'm still buying both

because i'm a tool

none of you can resist. you'll buy them too.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 07:21:58 PM
i'm still buying both

because i'm a tool

none of you can resist. you'll buy them too.
I haven't bought both since Ruby and Sapphire.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on February 25, 2012, 08:10:29 PM
I'm.... conflicted on this. We obviously need to see more, but yeesh. When I see "Black 2 and White 2" I can't help but think of Squenix and the ridiculous sounding direct sequels. And obviously news of Gen 6 will come out next year at this rate. At this point, I'm more curious as to whether this is a real sequel or literally just a two-version third game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on February 25, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
This is a little ridiculous.

They couldn't just do Gray?
Well, we SERIOUSLY needed to believe that they said there was no third version. Guess you have to heed their official words.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 25, 2012, 08:39:45 PM
OH GOD NO.

No

No

Nonononononononononono

WAIT.

Who wants to explain why Zekrom-Kyurem is with Black and Reshiram-Kyurem is with White? Should it not be the other way around?

Do you still find the opposite color legendary first, and the opposing color Kyurem also appears to counter it? Ex. You'd still find Reshiram in Black, but Zekyurem would be its... counterpart?

Honestly, 2 new forms, based on existing Pokemon? Really, Gamefreak, I'm incredibly disappointed.

And not even for 3DS? So much facepalming. GF, you have failed me.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on February 25, 2012, 08:49:57 PM
OH GOD NO.

No

No

Nonononononononononono

WAIT.

Who wants to explain why Zekrom-Kyurem is with Black and Reshiram-Kyurem is with White? Should it not be the other way around?

Do you still find the opposite color legendary first, and the opposing color Kyurem also appears to counter it? Ex. You'd still find Reshiram in Black, but Zekyurem would be its... counterpart?

Honestly, 2 new forms, based on existing Pokemon? Really, Gamefreak, I'm incredibly disappointed.

And not even for 3DS? So much facepalming. GF, you have failed me.
Sorry your in-game Kyurem coding theory ultimately failed. Better luck next time!
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 25, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
Sorry your in-game Kyurem coding theory ultimately failed. Better luck next time!
Actually no, my theory was entirely accurate. I have no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 25, 2012, 08:55:27 PM
Quoting from the other thread, but it's relevant here:

(http://i.imgur.com/R2aiO.jpg)

"Gentlemen, we need a new form for Kyurem."
"What if...he had TWO new forms, resembling Zekrom and Reshiram?"
"I love the number two! Let's do it!"

So yeah, Grey confirmed. Maybe they'll go insane and make Grey Inferno and Grey Storm versions.

Looks like Keldeo will actually be in this game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 09:04:51 PM
I'm.... conflicted on this. We obviously need to see more, but yeesh. When I see "Black 2 and White 2" I can't help but think of Squenix and the ridiculous sounding direct sequels. And obviously news of Gen 6 will come out next year at this rate. At this point, I'm more curious as to whether this is a real sequel or literally just a two-version third game.
I'd say somewhere in-between. It's likely continuing the BW story (really, it was pretty obvious that they'd get a sequel), but it'll still be in Unova and there won't be a new set of Pokemon. It'll likely bring back the Battle Frontier, gym leader rematches, and following Pokemon. I'm also betting on Steven making an appearance in the same vein as Cynthia in B1/W1. (The only difference being that Steven won't make me afraid to check random houses. lol)

No

No

Nonononononononononono

WAIT.

Who wants to explain why Zekrom-Kyurem is with Black and Reshiram-Kyurem is with White? Should it not be the other way around?

Do you still find the opposite color legendary first, and the opposing color Kyurem also appears to counter it? Ex. You'd still find Reshiram in Black, but Zekyurem would be its... counterpart?

Honestly, 2 new forms, based on existing Pokemon? Really, Gamefreak, I'm incredibly disappointed.

And not even for 3DS? So much facepalming. GF, you have failed me.
Calm down. :/

They're sequels to Black and White, so it's obvious why they switched them; N will play an important part i the forme change.

As for it not being on 3DS, I was upset at first, but then I realized why. First of all, they probably couldn't work out direct trading between DS and 3DS. Second, chances are that they're already working on the 3DS game. (Remember that Game Freak has two teams.) The 3DS is probably full 3D, so they need more time. However, Game Freak can't really sustain itself if they go three years without releasing a game. So, they pushed these out so thet could take their time on their first 3D game ever.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 25, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
I'd say somewhere in-between. It's likely continuing the BW story (really, it was pretty obvious that they'd get a sequel), but it'll still be in Unova and there won't be a new set of Pokemon. It'll likely bring back the Battle Frontier, gym leader rematches,
Yes please.

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and following Pokemon.
Let's not get our hopes up, despite how awesome that would be.

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I'm also betting on Steven making an appearance in the same vein as Cynthia in B1/W1. (The only difference being that Steven won't make me afraid to check random houses. lol)
That's actually... I never thought of that. But wow, there's a thought.

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Calm down. :/

They're sequels to Black and White, so it's obvious why they switched them; N will play an important part i the forme change.
I would totally rather have a single version rather than two sequels. Now I'm seriously torn between the two; should I get Black 2, assuming it's a direct sequel to Black 1, or White 2 so I can experience the different Pokemon and stuff?

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As for it not being on 3DS, I was upset at first, but then I realized why. First of all, they probably couldn't work out direct trading between DS and 3DS. Second, chances are that they're already working on the 3DS game. (Remember that Game Freak has two teams.) The 3DS is probably full 3D, so they need more time. However, Game Freak can't really sustain itself if they go three years without releasing a game. So, they pushed these out so thet could take their time on their first 3D game ever.
Since this came out on DS, this really better be a short generation. Actually, now I'm afraid that R/S will come out on the DS as well. I'd REALLY rather wait for the 3DS gen for those remakes.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 09:30:29 PM
It'll likely be a short gen. The anime usually lines up with the generations. Ash has five badges as of the 61st episode of Best Wishes. By comparison, he took 102 episodes to get that far in Sinnoh. Looking at his current pace, the league arc should end next year in Japan in June-September. So, at the latest, the Gen 6 games will hit the US in March 2014, with December 2013 being very likely. Remember, they're likely going to have to make ~800 character models just to cover all of the Pokemon and their forms, and this will be Game Freak's first 3D game ever.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 25, 2012, 09:34:09 PM
It'll likely be a short gen. The anime usually lines up with the generations. Ash has five badges as of the 61st episode of Best Wishes. By comparison, he took 102 episodes to get that far in Sinnoh. Looking at his current pace, the league arc should end next year in Japan in June-September. So, at the latest, the Gen 6 games will hit the US in March 2014, with December 2013 being very likely. Remember, they're likely going to have to make ~800 character models just to cover all of the Pokemon and their forms, and this will be Game Freak's first 3D game ever.
The anime pattern is a pretty good point, which I wouldn't have seen since I don't follow the anime.

But yeah I can see how they wouldn't want to jump from the DS to the 3DS without changing generations, so I imagine the first Pokemon 3DS game will mark the beginning of Gen VI.

dear god

They have even less time to create a bunch of new Pokemon, with a new world, and a new plot. I'm scared.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 09:44:05 PM
The anime pattern is a pretty good point, which I wouldn't have seen since I don't follow the anime.

But yeah I can see how they wouldn't want to jump from the DS to the 3DS without changing generations, so I imagine the first Pokemon 3DS game will mark the beginning of Gen VI.

dear god

They have even less time to create a bunch of new Pokemon, with a new world, and a new plot. I'm scared.
How do they have less time? They started Black and White in 2007 after Platinum (which is why BW was missing some HG/SS features), and they got 3DS dev kits before anyone else. Development most likely started in late 2010, if not sooner.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on February 25, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
This is actually much more interesting than if they had announced Pokemon Grey. I mean, I'd much rather have an all knew story line than the same exact game with a few new features added. (Not that I wouldn't have bought a Pokemon Grey if it existed, because I totally would have.)

This also might mean more N. Which for me is a big plus.

I wonder if there'll be different main characters? I mean, it'd be weird for the main characters to start out with new Pokemon all over again. And what about starters? This gives us a lot to think about.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Qsmash on February 25, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
Oh man. I stopped playing pogeymans after Platinum and I can't really tell if this is cool or not. :/
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on February 25, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Oh man. I stopped playing pogeymans after Platinum and I can't really tell if this is cool or not. :/
May I point out you have a guy who play children's card games as your avatar?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Qsmash on February 25, 2012, 10:43:55 PM
May I point out you have a guy who play children's card games as your avatar?
Well...I don't see what that has to do wi...I'm talking about the whole direct sequel thing.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on February 25, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Oh man. I stopped playing pogeymans after Platinum and I can't really tell if this is cool or not. :/

It really all depends on what they do with it. I'm at a complete loss for what to expect considering  they haven't done this before. And this is a series that has stuck with basically the same pattern since its beginning.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 25, 2012, 11:11:29 PM
I just double checked, and Ash is getting his sixth badge next week in episode 68! (unless he loses) If that's not proof that they don't want this gen to last much longer, I don't know what is!
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Qsmash on February 25, 2012, 11:35:00 PM
It really all depends on what they do with it. I'm at a complete loss for what to expect considering  they haven't done this before. And this is a series that has stuck with basically the same pattern since its beginning.
I do like that they are doing something different with Pokemon, but if they mess it up, people may want the old formula back again. I don't have anything against the old formula, but having Black and White bring something so fresh makes it feel like the series is actually advancing (slowly) from a gameplay standpoint. I just hope they don't drop the ball.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 26, 2012, 12:12:48 AM
By the way, I want to bring something up that I'm sure all of you have overlooked.

In the last episode of the DP anime, something called "Champion's League" was mentioned.

In Black and White, Cynthia mentions something similar. "Once every few years, the Champions of each region gather and compete to see who is the strongest! An interesting idea, don't you agree?"

Something tells me that this is actually a super-stealth hint at something that will either be in these games or Gen 6.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: JrDude on February 26, 2012, 12:56:32 AM
Interesting.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on February 26, 2012, 02:10:19 AM
The fact that they're being announced less than four months before release and it's releasing three months earlier than expected means one thing: these are stopgap games.  Game Freak likely needs extra time to develop they're first full 3D game ever, so they got one team (likely the HG/SS team) to work on these while the other team (the B1/W1 team) works on Gen VI. That means that they're making more than 750 3D models just counting the Pokemon. Cut them some slack. It was likely this or nothing until next year.

I'm guessing it'll be the same region with no new Pokemon, but the story will be a direct sequel.

Also, what zeph said. There was nothing Nintendo could do about the scaling other than making the resolution exactly 4x the DS's resolution, which would have been very expensive and effectively cut the 3DS's graphics potential in half unless they made it twice as powerful, which would have increased the price and cut the battery life.
the 3ds has far lower resolution and processing power than most modern smart phones. and it already has poop battery life.

nintendo has pretty much always been horribly out of date technologically.


also 3d models are easier and faster to make than sprites.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 26, 2012, 07:23:36 AM
the 3ds has far lower resolution and processing power than most modern smart phones. and it already has poop battery life.

nintendo has pretty much always been horribly out of date technologically.


also 3d models are easier and faster to make than sprites.
I know the resolution and power are low. I'm saying, would have wanted a 3DS with the same graphics, a higher resolution, and even worse battery life (like, one hour) for $250 and no pricecut early on? Would you want it for $200 except with worse graphics than PSP? They had to make sacrifices somewhere. Making a Vita would not have been practical for them. Hell, I'm not yet sure that it was practical for Sony in hindsight.

Granted, the resolution they would have needed for perfect scaling would have still been low by today's standards (640x384), but it would have been a non-standard resolution, meaning that Nintendo would have actually ended up paying more than they would have for something like WVGA. With 3D, that goes up even more. I'm sure that you would have been willing to pay more for better hardware, but would the market in general?

FWIW, that wasn't true of their consoles at all before Wii. Before that, they were mostly up-to-date except for one or two notable aspects. (cartridges, online)

You're right, and that's likely a reason to want to make the jump to 3D. However, my point is that they've never done it before. Granted, Creatures is likely helping them big time, but even beyond the models they have other challenges. Last year, they actually said that developing for 3DS is difficult for them, despite the fact that they got the kits before anyone. Most devs made huge mistakes when they moved to 3D on the PS1 and N64. If Game Freak needs that time to ensure that doesn't happen, I'm fine with that. Does anybody really want Gen 5 to be cut super short so we can get a rushed pair of Gen 6 games?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: JrDude on February 26, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Maybe it wasn't on the 3DS because they're doing what you said, making sure they do it right. But maybe Gen 5 is ending so quickly because they're doing better than expected and want to release it to the public when it's ready.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on February 26, 2012, 12:45:36 PM
FWIW, that wasn't true of their consoles at all before Wii. Before that, they were mostly up-to-date except for one or two notable aspects. (cartridges, online)

gameboy is the obvious early counterexample. and if we compare to the pc market almost no console has ever been technologically up to date.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on February 26, 2012, 01:06:00 PM
wait

Champion's League?

The anime version of that is probably going to be lame. The game version. Hot darn, rematch with Red.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on February 26, 2012, 01:52:15 PM
Rematch with Red, and maybe Gold as well. I like the idea in game. Anime is gonna suck because what, maybe two people will show up? Geh. After all Ash never wins anything, so eh.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 26, 2012, 01:55:23 PM
gameboy is the obvious early counterexample. and if we compare to the pc market almost no console has ever been technologically up to date.
I said "console." I know that they purposefully stay behind with handhelds.

Also, Red is overrated. He's a pushover.

EDIT: Based on the pattern the anime follows, Ash will make it to the final match this time. He'll be champ either this gen or the next one. (Though, technically, he already won a championship. Remember Orange Islands?)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on February 26, 2012, 02:04:14 PM

Also, Red is overrated. He's a pushover.


You... you are dead to me.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 26, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
You... you are dead to me.
:/ He's a cool character, but he's so easy for someone with such high-level Pokemon. His team is just a gimmick.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on February 26, 2012, 02:15:26 PM
:/ He's a cool character, but he's so easy for someone with such high-level Pokemon. His team is just a gimmick.

> > Sure sure... they're not going to make him unbeatable. You know, if they put him into another game they'll probably make changes to his team, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 26, 2012, 02:34:03 PM
> > Sure sure... they're not going to make him unbeatable. You know, if they put him into another game they'll probably make changes to his team, I'm sure.

They don't have to make him unbeatable, but come on. He's just a gimmick as far as battling him goes. A cool part of the game. If some random guy got his team, nobody would remember him. He doesn't have anything like Cynthia's Garchomp to wreck an unprepared team.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on February 26, 2012, 03:09:26 PM
I said "console." I know that they purposefully stay behind with handhelds.

we were discussing handheld power in the first place why would you make that leap
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on February 26, 2012, 03:14:32 PM

EDIT: Based on the pattern the anime follows, Ash will make it to the final match this time. He'll be champ either this gen or the next one. (Though, technically, he already won a championship. Remember Orange Islands?)

Orange Islands don't count, worthless filler of a league not even in the games. And the day Ash actually wins something is the day the show actually starts trying post season 1. <_<;;
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Qsmash on February 26, 2012, 07:25:48 PM
They don't have to make him unbeatable, but come on. He's just a gimmick as far as battling him goes. A cool part of the game. If some random guy got his team, nobody would remember him. He doesn't have anything like Cynthia's Garchomp to wreck an unprepared team.
Plus, by that point in the game, your pokemon are probably super strong anyway. But to be fair, who really remembers the team of random trainers anyway (Fisherman Andrew, why do you have 6 Magikarps?)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 26, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
How do they have less time? They started Black and White in 2007 after Platinum (which is why BW was missing some HG/SS features), and they got 3DS dev kits before anyone else. Development most likely started in late 2010, if not sooner.
Something tells me this next gen is going to be more rushed. I don't think there's any proof they've started thinking about Gen VI Pokemon and stuff yet, either. They're going to try to produce a full new game with a new region and new Pokemon in less time. It's gonna be rushed.

Rematch with Red, and maybe Gold as well. I like the idea in game.
What

I don't know what you're all talking about with Red and Gold being champions. You never become Champion in-game even after winning, so it'll probably just end up being Blue, Lance, Steven, Cynthia, and Alder, in game...if this "Champion's League" is what I think it is.

They don't have to make him unbeatable, but come on. He's just a gimmick as far as battling him goes. A cool part of the game. If some random guy got his team, nobody would remember him. He doesn't have anything like Cynthia's Garchomp to wreck an unprepared team.
A level 88 Pikachu that hasn't evolved is something I wouldn't forget.



Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 26, 2012, 08:58:07 PM
Something tells me this next gen is going to be more rushed. I don't think there's any proof they've started thinking about Gen VI Pokemon and stuff yet, either. They're going to try to produce a full new game with a new region and new Pokemon in less time. It's gonna be rushed.
Show me the proof from 2007 that they were thinking of Gen V Pokemon.

The shortest generation so far was Gen II at ~3.5 years. This gen will only be a few months shorter than that. (2.75-3 years)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 26, 2012, 09:07:39 PM
Show me the proof from 2007 that they were thinking of Gen V Pokemon.

The shortest generation so far was Gen II at ~3.5 years. This gen will only be a few months shorter than that. (2.75-3 years)
Are you denying that Gen VI is going to be rushed?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on February 26, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
they were working on gen vi as soon as gen v was sent off for production.

thats how the intercourse ing game industry works.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on February 26, 2012, 11:54:00 PM
I don't know what you're all talking about with Red and Gold being champions. You never become Champion in-game even after winning, so it'll probably just end up being Blue, Lance, Steven, Cynthia, and Alder, in game...if this "Champion's League" is what I think it is.
A level 88 Pikachu that hasn't evolved is something I wouldn't forget.
Not to ride a fictional character's dick but:

Red is legendary in the Pokemon Universe. He's mentioned in pretty much every single game, whether its a random NPC or whatever, there are little mentions of Red here and there.

He's considered the most powerful trainer to ever exist in the universe and YES, is considered Champion. This is undisputed. Why do you think he was at Mt.Silver? He left his position to train. Staying in one place wasn't his thing. Blue shared a similar problem, so he probably took a position as a Gym Leader because its easier to get away from.

The last part of the story in Red/Blue version is defeating your Rival, who had just become Champion. Why wouldn't that be canon? Just because you can do it all over again after its over and no NPC's worship you? Don't be ridiculous. In that regard, the same logic applies to the other main characters, yes, but I'm not really arguing for them so w/e.

also, Hero can rag on his team all he wants but of course a human player is going to crush it. Most kids back in the day got roflstomped by him anyway, if they could even make it to him to begin with
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on February 27, 2012, 08:25:31 AM
The games are stated to come this fall for NA and Europe.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 27, 2012, 03:42:47 PM
Not to ride a fictional character's dick but:

Red is legendary in the Pokemon Universe. He's mentioned in pretty much every single game, whether its a random NPC or whatever, there are little mentions of Red here and there.

He's considered the most powerful trainer to ever exist in the universe and YES, is considered Champion. This is undisputed. Why do you think he was at Mt.Silver? He left his position to train. Staying in one place wasn't his thing. Blue shared a similar problem, so he probably took a position as a Gym Leader because its easier to get away from.

The last part of the story in Red/Blue version is defeating your Rival, who had just become Champion. Why wouldn't that be canon? Just because you can do it all over again after its over and no NPC's worship you? Don't be ridiculous. In that regard, the same logic applies to the other main characters, yes, but I'm not really arguing for them so w/e.

also, Hero can rag on his team all he wants but of course a human player is going to crush it. Most kids back in the day got roflstomped by him anyway, if they could even make it to him to begin with
Yes, but when you think "Champion" in the Pokemon games, you think of the NPCs who are given the in-game title of "Champion." You battle Champion Blue, Champion Lance, Champion Steven, Champion Wallace (forgot about him the first time), Champion Cynthia, etc.. And you battle "PKMN Trainer Red". He may have the highest leveled Pokemon of all NPCs you can battle outside the Battle Facilities, but I don't think that's what is meant by "Champion".

He also appears to be more of a silent type who would rather isolate himself on a mountain than gather with the Champions at some thing. It just doesn't exactly seem in his character to be involved with this (He doesn't ever actually say a single word in any Pokemon game, does he?) but if by "Champion's League" they mean "League of the most powerful Trainers", then Red would fit very well there.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 27, 2012, 07:12:59 PM
Are you denying that Gen VI is going to be rushed?
Yes, I am. I think it'll have less new Pokemon than this generation had, but other than that I can't call a game that took 3+ years (honestly, I think it probably entered the planning stages before Black and White even went gold) to make rushed. Do you feel that Black and White were rushed?

However, due to how certain you are that they'll be rushed, chances are that you'll actually look for signs of it being rushed. I think you may end up ruining the game for yourself. :/
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 27, 2012, 07:45:05 PM
Yes, I am. I think it'll have less new Pokemon than this generation had, but other than that I can't call a game that took 3+ years (honestly, I think it probably entered the planning stages before Black and White even went gold) to make rushed. Do you feel that Black and White were rushed?

However, due to how certain you are that they'll be rushed, chances are that you'll actually look for signs of it being rushed. I think you may end up ruining the game for yourself. :/
It'll have less new Pokemon most likely, because I doubt Gen VI will be a full fresh start like V was, region and Pokemon wise.

Alright, and don't tell me I'll be ruining the game for myself. If it's bad, it'll be because it's bad, not because I want it to be bad. I don't know what the hell made you think I'll be looking for flaws intentionally, because I can do that with every single game in the series so far (but I don't).
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Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 27, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
It'll have less new Pokemon most likely, because I doubt Gen VI will be a full fresh start like V was, region and Pokemon wise.

Alright, and don't tell me I'll be ruining the game for myself. If it's bad, it'll be because it's bad, not because I want it to be bad. I don't know what the hell made you think I'll be looking for flaws intentionally, because I can do that with every single game in the series so far (but I don't).
So, basically, now every generation that isn't a full fresh start with 150+ new Pokemon will be considered "rushed" by you? :/

If it makes you feel better, there's a chance that the anime is going faster because a filler saga is planned and Gen VI is set for 2014.
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Post by: Zero on February 28, 2012, 07:51:10 AM
Yes, but when you think "Champion" in the Pokemon games, you think of the NPCs who are given the in-game title of "Champion." You battle Champion Blue, Champion Lance, Champion Steven, Champion Wallace (forgot about him the first time), Champion Cynthia, etc.. And you battle "PKMN Trainer Red". He may have the highest leveled Pokemon of all NPCs you can battle outside the Battle Facilities, but I don't think that's what is meant by "Champion".

He also appears to be more of a silent type who would rather isolate himself on a mountain than gather with the Champions at some thing. It just doesn't exactly seem in his character to be involved with this (He doesn't ever actually say a single word in any Pokemon game, does he?) but if by "Champion's League" they mean "League of the most powerful Trainers", then Red would fit very well there.

Go to each and every Pokemon wiki. Search for Red's character page. The word champion is used multiple times on each page entry. You're grasping at straws when suggesting that the only "in-game" champions are the ones distinctly pointed out in battle. Also do I really have to quote myself?

The last part of the story in Red/Blue version is defeating your Rival, who had just become Champion. Why wouldn't that be canon? Just because you can do it all over again after its over and no NPC's worship you? Don't be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 28, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
So, basically, now every generation that isn't a full fresh start with 150+ new Pokemon will be considered "rushed" by you? :/

If it makes you feel better, there's a chance that the anime is going faster because a filler saga is planned and Gen VI is set for 2014.
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I can find rushed flaws even with B/W. Hell, even Gen I had those kinds of flaws. They all do.

Go to each and every Pokemon wiki. Search for Red's character page. The word champion is used multiple times on each page entry. You're grasping at straws when suggesting that the only "in-game" champions are the ones distinctly pointed out in battle. Also do I really have to quote myself?

Honestly, you're not getting what I'm saying. I know that he's referred to as a "Champion", but I think that the "League of Champions" means "League of [Elite Four] Champions". And like I said, it just isn't in Red's character to appear in some building with all the other champions. The only time you ever interact with him in-game is when you find him at the top of a mountain, and he doesn't even say one word to you. When I say "In-game Champions", I mean the ones at the end of the Elite Four. I think that's more what this League is referring to.
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Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 28, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I can find rushed flaws even with B/W. Hell, even Gen I had those kinds of flaws. They all do.
That can be said of pretty much every game ever.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on February 28, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
I don't know what you're all talking about with Red and Gold being champions. You never become Champion in-game even after winning

This is the comment I was arguing against.  Everything I was saying had nothing to do with the League. It'd make sense to have only the Champions and not the Challengers-turned Champions in the League, I agree. Either way would be pretty cool though. I'd like to fight Gold, Red, etc. in addition to Blue, Lance, Steven, etc.
 
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on February 28, 2012, 08:30:59 PM
This is the comment I was arguing against.  Everything I was saying had nothing to do with the League. It'd make sense to have only the Champions and not the Challengers-turned Champions in the League, I agree. Either way would be pretty cool though. I'd like to fight Gold, Red, etc. in addition to Blue, Lance, Steven, etc.
 
There are tons of things that would be "pretty cool" if they were in game, that doesn't mean they have any chance of happening.

I detect a 0% probability of Gold becoming a NPC "Champion" you can battle against in these upcoming games.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Doodle on February 29, 2012, 05:09:43 AM
[spoiler]You mean Ethan[[/spoiler]
( ¬‿¬)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on February 29, 2012, 07:32:08 AM
There are tons of things that would be "pretty cool" if they were in game, that doesn't mean they have any chance of happening.

I detect a 0% probability of Gold becoming a NPC "Champion" you can battle against in these upcoming games.

You don't really have any data. Neither do I.

[spoiler]You mean Ethan[[/spoiler]
( ¬‿¬)

Nope
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on February 29, 2012, 09:15:07 AM
Nope

Yup. Gold is the name of the manga character.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on February 29, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Yup. Gold is the name of the manga character.

When do you ever encounter the name "Ethen" outside of the name select?

Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on February 29, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
in all the official documentation.

red and blue are the only characters that really have canonized names in game.
oh and brendan and may
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 29, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
in all the official documentation.

red and blue are the only characters that really have canonized names in game.
oh and brendan and may
And Lucas, Dawn, Lyra, and Ethan.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on February 29, 2012, 06:23:51 PM
FR/LG: Red and Leaf are playable, Blue is rival
C: Ethan and Krys are playable, Silver is rival
HG/SS: Ethan and Lyra are playable, Silver is rival
R/S/E: Brendan and May are playable, Wally is rival
D/P/Pt: Lucas and Dawn are playable, Barry is rival
B/W: Hilbert and Hilda are playable, Cheren and Bianca (and N) are rivals
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 29, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
Leaf is nothing more than a fan name, though.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 01, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
Leaf is nothing more than a fan name, though.
Isn't "Leaf" the first default option when choosing the girl character in FR/LG? I'm pretty sure it's first on that list; in which case it's a bit more than purely fan-made, even if she doesn't have a commonly said name like Brendan and May, etc.



Also guys, what's all this talking about this "Red" guy? Don't you mean Ash? His real name is Ash, just so you know.

[spoiler]trollface.jpg[/spoiler]
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Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 01, 2012, 10:00:37 PM
Isn't "Leaf" the first default option when choosing the girl character in FR/LG? I'm pretty sure it's first on that list; in which case it's a bit more than purely fan-made, even if she doesn't have a commonly said name like Brendan and May, etc.



Also guys, what's all this talking about this "Red" guy? Don't you mean Ash? His real name is Ash, just so you know.

[spoiler]trollface.jpg[/spoiler]
*shrug* Too lazy to check right now.

I'm going to update the OP with launch windows.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 02, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Pokemon needs anime-style cutscenes.

There, I said it. COME AT ME BRO
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on March 02, 2012, 08:15:26 PM
Pokemon needs anime-style cutscenes.

There, I said it. COME AT ME BRO

I completely agree. Or at least have the visual novel-ish character portraits when you talk to them, even if you reuse them for generic NPC's like old man or so. Just something to give the characters more detail or so. I was disappointed when N only got like two of those and they were both the same image. Geh.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on March 03, 2012, 06:07:50 PM
pokemon is not about story and never has been
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 03, 2012, 06:28:19 PM
pokemon is not about story and never has been
Which is your way of saying that you personally don't care about the story, which is why you're not interested in these sequels.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on March 03, 2012, 07:25:02 PM
the only possible way to enjoy the story of pokemon is to enjoy the exact same story every 3 years. A story targeted at 10 year olds at that.

Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 03, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
the only possible way to enjoy the story of pokemon is to enjoy the exact same story every 3 years. A story targeted at 10 year olds at that.
If you still feel that way after Black/White, I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on March 03, 2012, 08:36:17 PM
black and white does exactly one thing different in giving the bad guys a believable motivation
it has exactly zero effect on gameplay
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on March 03, 2012, 08:56:32 PM
pokemon has seriously never been about the story. zeph is right there.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 03, 2012, 11:49:31 PM
black and white does exactly one thing different in giving the bad guys a believable motivation
it has exactly zero effect on gameplay
Story generally doesn't effect gameplay directly.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on March 04, 2012, 12:41:28 AM
poopty stories maybe
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 04, 2012, 01:05:14 AM
poopty stories maybe
Name a game that you consider to be about story and explain the difference.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Flying Chickens on March 04, 2012, 02:18:35 AM
Name a game that you consider to be about story and explain the difference.
I had a long, well written out post that explained it, but my computer just deleted it for some reason. So I'll summarize it.

Mass Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, Batman Arkham City, Kingdom Hearts (depending on your viewpoint, since it is essentially an over-the-top Japanese pile of insanity, but still a game about story), The Final Fantasy series, etc.
Gameplay is essentially a delivery technique for story. They're the equivalent of verbs in literature.
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Post by: zephilicious on March 04, 2012, 03:25:16 AM
My issues with story in pokemon really extend to all video games. Video games are in general a terrible medium for storytelling.

fortunately there are games like pokemon that dont rely on story. these are good games, but playing them for story is nonsensical.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 04, 2012, 08:25:19 AM
I had a long, well written out post that explained it, but my computer just deleted it for some reason. So I'll summarize it.

Mass Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, Batman Arkham City, Kingdom Hearts (depending on your viewpoint, since it is essentially an over-the-top Japanese pile of insanity, but still a game about story), The Final Fantasy series, etc.
Gameplay is essentially a delivery technique for story. They're the equivalent of verbs in literature.
Uncharted is a movie, and the rest use story in the same way as any other game; to set up setting, progression, and characters, as well as to explain gameplay elements. Sorry, but I really don't see it. The all seem to have story developed around gameplay, not the other way around.
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Post by: The Riddler on March 04, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
My issues with story in pokemon really extend to all video games. Video games are in general a terrible medium for storytelling.

fortunately there are games like pokemon that dont rely on story. these are good games, but playing them for story is nonsensical.
this time you're wrong.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Flying Chickens on March 04, 2012, 02:53:00 PM
this time you're wrong.
Completely.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on March 04, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Whatever handful of exceptions you happen to like doesnt change the fact that 99% of story driven games completely separate story from gameplay, using gameplay only as a crutch to prolong the experience and create tension by forcing the player to play through unrelated and irrelevant gameplay segments just to find out what happens next.

If the same story can be told just as well in a fraction of the time in any other medium, then the game is not the right medium through which to tell the story.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 06, 2012, 09:08:20 PM
this time you're wrong.
Only this time?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 10, 2012, 05:31:50 AM
Corocoro is starting to leak. There will be info or pictures.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 11, 2012, 05:12:04 PM
Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 will be compatible with the Pokemon Global Link.

Which will be down for some time in the month of June in order to renovate the site to accommodate the new games, according to Serebii.

And we're looking at a North American release this fall from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 12, 2012, 03:50:54 AM
And we're looking at a North American release this fall from what I've heard.
I posted that already. It's on the official site.

(http://i.imgur.com/XgC0J.jpg)

dat boxart
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Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 12, 2012, 01:32:49 PM
Quote
The first images and details for Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 are coming from various Japanese boards. We're still in the process of translating so please bear with us as we add information to this update. First we have images of the box arts and details confirming that this is not a different coloured game but has a whole new story and features. For larger images, click the thumbnails below

As if there was any doubt...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 12, 2012, 02:24:53 PM
I posted that already. It's on the official site.

(http://i.imgur.com/XgC0J.jpg)

dat boxart
I want to get White 2 because then I'll have one each of Black and White

But Black Zekrom and Black 2's boxart looks so much better

;_;
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on March 12, 2012, 05:09:29 PM
Same predicament as you Pennington. Probably go with White just so I can have the opposite I guess.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 12, 2012, 05:36:42 PM
Same predicament as you Pennington. Probably go with White just so I can have the opposite I guess.
For me it may depend on whether the Kyurem forms are exclusive to their respective games as much as Deoxys's forms were in Gen III (i.e. it was not possible whatsoever to obtain a form other than the one assigned to your game)

If I can obtain Black Kyurem in White 2, if even through trading, I'll definitely be getting that version. If not, I may need to rethink.




I say this, but my Giratina (Platinum), Lugia (SoulSilver), and Reshiram (Black) are all sitting in the PC at the level I caught them at with no EXP at all. I'm not sure why I care so much about something I probably won't end up ever using anyway.
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Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 12, 2012, 05:59:11 PM
I might get both for the first time since gen 3 lol.

Ugh, fall is going to murder me. These games, Wii U, GTA V, RE6... This darn hobby! D:
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 12, 2012, 06:58:30 PM
I might get both for the first time since gen 3 lol.

Ugh, fall is going to murder me. These games, Wii U, GTA V, RE6... This darn hobby! D:
I'm considering getting both as well. Only other instances where I have both games is with FR/LG... and FR was the only one I bought from the store myself. (LG was acquired much later)
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Post by: Nayrman on March 12, 2012, 07:21:58 PM
Only 1 for me. Events probably for the other. WiiU and a few things this fall, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on March 15, 2012, 12:13:59 PM
I might get both for the first time since gen 3 lol.

Ugh, fall is going to murder me. These games, Wii U, GTA V, RE6... This darn hobby! D:
there are convenient upsides to believing 99% of games are poop
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 15, 2012, 02:47:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mRWjU.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/6JTE5.jpg)

They're DSi enhanced (obviously), but play on all DS and 3DS systems. On DSi and 3DS, they might be region locked, but they definitely won't be on DS Phat and DS Lite.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 15, 2012, 06:11:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mRWjU.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/6JTE5.jpg)

They're DSi enhanced (obviously), but play on all DS and 3DS systems. On DSi and 3DS, they might be region locked, but they definitely won't be on DS Phat and DS Lite.
Seeing it closer like this is actually doing the White 2 boxart and White Kyurem some justice. This makes my decision a bit easier.

I wonder, though, if GameFreak is nice enough to make it 3DS-enhanced, or at LEAST allow the resolution to be flexible enough to conform to the 3DS screen without zooming in and getting all blurry. But I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on March 15, 2012, 06:27:35 PM
Seeing it closer like this is actually doing the White 2 boxart and White Kyurem some justice. This makes my decision a bit easier.

I wonder, though, if GameFreak is nice enough to make it 3DS-enhanced, or at LEAST allow the resolution to be flexible enough to conform to the 3DS screen without zooming in and getting all blurry. But I highly doubt it.
Are you buying the game that has the best boxart or the showcased Pokemon?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 15, 2012, 09:10:12 PM
Seeing it closer like this is actually doing the White 2 boxart and White Kyurem some justice. This makes my decision a bit easier.

I wonder, though, if GameFreak is nice enough to make it 3DS-enhanced, or at LEAST allow the resolution to be flexible enough to conform to the 3DS screen without zooming in and getting all blurry. But I highly doubt it.
It's not a matter of being nice. The way that the 3DS handles DS emulation makes "3DS-enhanced" games impossible. Even though DS and 3DS games look the same on the outside, the cards are significantly different on the inside and they would basically have to somehow make a special emulator for these games and only these games, which would also require some type of 3DS firmware update that I'm not even certain can be done. And from there, the sprites would end up looking either too small or even more pixelated than they look on DS.

And before you point to DSi enhancement, the big difference here is that they still use the exact same physical cards as DS games and there's no emulation involved.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on March 15, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
As of this moment, IF I get them at all, I'm only planning on getting the sequel to mine, regardless of the legendary on the cover; I have Black 2. Again, IF I get one at all; I'm still not quite convinced that this will be that different from the usual 3rd version (even if the "plot" is new), and I've got several other games on my plate this year as is, not to mention a Wii U to save up for.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 15, 2012, 10:06:25 PM
Are you buying the game that has the best boxart or the showcased Pokemon?
I WANT to get White 2, and I'm hoping it has enough going for it that I won't feel like I made the worse choice when I do.

It's not a matter of being nice. The way that the 3DS handles DS emulation makes "3DS-enhanced" games impossible. Even though DS and 3DS games look the same on the outside, the cards are significantly different on the inside and they would basically have to somehow make a special emulator for these games and only these games, which would also require some type of 3DS firmware update that I'm not even certain can be done. And from there, the sprites would end up looking either too small or even more pixelated than they look on DS.

And before you point to DSi enhancement, the big difference here is that they still use the exact same physical cards as DS games and there's no emulation involved.
What could the "DSi enhancement" mean, then? What can the DSi add to the games?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on March 15, 2012, 10:28:06 PM
What could the "DSi enhancement" mean, then? What can the DSi add to the games?

A camera, for one. Black and White have video chat if you use a DSi or 3DS... although, as far as I know, it's in IR mode, which means you'd be in the same room as the person anyway.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 16, 2012, 04:12:42 AM
A camera, for one. Black and White have video chat if you use a DSi or 3DS... although, as far as I know, it's in IR mode, which means you'd be in the same room as the person anyway.
Yes, the camera is the enhancement.

I'm pretty sure it uses regular wireless. I'll check that now.

EDIT: Yeah, it's just wireless. It can also be done over WiFi using the Global Terminal in a Pokemon Center.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on March 16, 2012, 08:16:25 AM
Yeah, it's just wireless. It can also be done over WiFi using the Global Terminal in a Pokemon Center.

Alright, that makes more sense. I just remember using regular wireless with my friend and the two of thinking, "Well that was stupid."
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 16, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
Alright, that makes more sense. I just remember using regular wireless with my friend and the two of thinking, "Well that was stupid."
You got IR mixed up with wireless? Also, the DS has a decent wireless radio, so it would work from separate rooms.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on March 16, 2012, 03:19:16 PM
You got IR mixed up with wireless?

I just remembered the one we tried wasn't over Wi-fi.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 20, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
Hero.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 20, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
Hero.
Uh........

This is embarrassing. I was mistaken on the first point, and the second doesn't really stand on its own. lol.

Well, the second point is that Game Freak only has two teams, and the second team is more than likely working on gen 6, rather than remakes (especially since the team working on this game is the HGSS team).
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 20, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
Uh........

This is embarrassing. I was mistaken on the first point, and the second doesn't really stand on its own. lol.

Well, the second point is that Game Freak only has two teams, and the second team is more than likely working on gen 6, rather than remakes (especially since the team working on this game is the HGSS team).
B2/W2 will be done by the end of this year. I already kind of had the idea that R/S would be pushed onto Gen 6, which--given how early it's coming--SHOULD be on the 3DS. (This goes back to the Gen-V-being-shorter discussion.)

Whichever team isn't going the leadoff games for Gen VI will probably take up R/S. It makes perfect sense; they'll probably start it as soon as they're done with B2/W2, which, as I said, will be done this year.

This means we won't get any remakes for Gen V, so the remakes thing will skip a gen and it might not be until Gen VII (holy future) when we see D/P remakes.

But holy intercourse , D/P coming out seems way too recent.

But yeah, aside from going way off my intended subject, what I'm trying to say is this:

They have two teams: One is working on Gen VI, one on B2/W2. That's your argument. However, B2/W2 won't take longer than a few more months, so when they're done, that team will get started on R/S. Which will likely be pushed onto the speculated 3DS-based Gen VI, which is what I was hoping for anyway.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 21, 2012, 04:10:41 AM
I just don't know. I really can't believe that they talked about N going to another region just for that to end up going nowhere. They usually don't say specific things like that without purpose. Then there are all of the Hoenn hints in BW. Unless you're trying to imply that their plans changed at some point, it doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on March 21, 2012, 06:31:11 AM
I don't see why breaking the mold and going to Hoenn would be a bad idea anyway.

If that's the case, I'd rather play BW2 than a remake of R/S.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 21, 2012, 12:10:29 PM
I just don't know. I really can't believe that they talked about N going to another region just for that to end up going nowhere. They usually don't say specific things like that without purpose. Then there are all of the Hoenn hints in BW. Unless you're trying to imply that their plans changed at some point, it doesn't seem right.
Who said he was going to Hoenn? I still think they're gonna add on to Unova. Remember the Sevii Islands? They were considered a separate region, though they're basically connected to and only accessible via Kanto.

This could be something like that. The Mistralton airport, if used, could be used like the Seagallop ferries were in FRLG, by taking the player to a NEW region. Possibly America-based, maybe not near New York.

I totally said this before and you all ignored me. But seriously, there's more of a chance of there being a new small region (like the Sevii Islands) than BW2 taking place in Kanto.

In other words, this boxart is REALLY starting to grow on me.
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/13/Pokemon_White_2_Boxart_JP.png)
I think I like it better than Black 2's now.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 21, 2012, 02:33:51 PM
Possible. I guess we'll see soon enough.

Also, this is going to be the first generation without Kanto. O_o;
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on March 21, 2012, 04:31:25 PM
This just in: Firered/Leafgreen re-remakes announced.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on March 21, 2012, 05:18:38 PM
This just in: Firered/Leafgreen re-remakes announced.
Really wouldn't be surprised; continuing the pattern, it's time to remake 3rd gen games to get them up to speed.

But Red/Blue aren't any father than Gen III, so they need to catch up too.

Oh god, what will happen in 15 years? remaking 3-4 games per gen?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on March 30, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
From Serebii

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Amazon Japan has posted images of covers of two cases coming to Japan featuring Black Kyurem & White Kyurem. These cases confirm that the types retain Kyurem's Dragon/Ice type despite the massive changes. It also confirms the height and weight. Black Kyurem stands at 3.3m and 325kg while White Kyurem stands at 3.6m and 325kg. We'll bring more as it comes
Incidentally, there are unsubstantiated reports that Famitsu is hinting about a new Pokémon being revealed next week. Japan often states new forms to be new Pokémon so this could be the reveal in Smash tomorrow. As the reports are unsubstantiated, they may be wrong
Edit @ 09:57: Pokémon Smash has also announced it will be revealing a lot of Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 information during its episode due to air on April 8th
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 02, 2012, 05:55:03 PM
Adding to the previous post, we'll see the first gameplay of it on the 15th in Japan, which means the 14th in the US. Also remember that CoroCoro comes next week.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 02, 2012, 06:50:24 PM
Remember how G/S were "sequels" to R/B?

What if B2/W2 introduces a new region with new towns and gyms, that ends in the same Pokemon League area... which opens up on the other side into Unova? I mean, Unova was BY FAR the shortest and most linear region we've had in the main series. We need more.

I want some thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 02, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
I highly doubt we'll see a whole new region, and I doubt even more strongly that we'll get to re-explore an old region. It's just a fancier version of Gray designed to make Nintendo twice as much money; we'll certainly get a new area, but it'll be a small Unova Frontier at most, imo. Granted, the fact that these are sequels instead of "new definitive editions" is interesting, but I don't imagine the story will take us over seas or too far inland.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 02, 2012, 07:11:35 PM
I highly doubt we'll see a whole new region, and I doubt even more strongly that we'll get to re-explore an old region. It's just a fancier version of Gray designed to make Nintendo twice as much money; we'll certainly get a new area, but it'll be a small Unova Frontier at most, imo. Granted, the fact that these are sequels instead of "new definitive editions" is interesting, but I don't imagine the story will take us over seas or too far inland.
I REALLY hope we at least get a significant extension of Unova. When I think of this, the Sevii Islands come to mind. Seven new towns and 10-15 new routes. Even that much would be great, and I see absolutely no reason why they can't do that.

But Unova just isn't enough. I wouldn't mind playing through it again, but it's just.... linear. I prefer the intersecting paths, multiple routes, and cities with four exits that we've had in every generation so far (Except Gen II on the latter). It's just a straight line from city to city, and once you're done with one place you move on to the next. You never go back, except maybe once IIRC, to a town once you've left it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Flying Chickens on April 02, 2012, 09:24:11 PM
I REALLY hope we at least get a significant extension of Unova. When I think of this, the Sevii Islands come to mind. Seven new towns and 10-15 new routes. Even that much would be great, and I see absolutely no reason why they can't do that.

But Unova just isn't enough. I wouldn't mind playing through it again, but it's just.... linear. I prefer the intersecting paths, multiple routes, and cities with four exits that we've had in every generation so far (Except Gen II on the latter). It's just a straight line from city to city, and once you're done with one place you move on to the next. You never go back, except maybe once IIRC, to a town once you've left it.
This. Even if you don't specifically go back for a story reason or anything, it's still nice to wander through a long route then suddenly see that Snorlax that was blocking your path three gym leaders ago. That kind of intersection. The little things.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 02, 2012, 09:54:25 PM
This. Even if you don't specifically go back for a story reason or anything, it's still nice to wander through a long route then suddenly see that Snorlax that was blocking your path three gym leaders ago. That kind of intersection. The little things.
But like R/S had you revisiting old towns that you haven't been in since the beginning of the game and stuff like that.

First of all, you visit Mauville City before each of your two adventures to the far north of the region. Tiny little town, but it was a nice little place to stock up on supplies at twice. You can also open up a tunnel in Verdanturf town nearby and get another glance at your first major city--Rustboro. Plus, the second time you're in Mauville, Wattson has another little mission for you.

After the fourth gym, you're taken back to Petalburg City, one of the first towns you ever walk into. You can also go back and explore the water routes you zipped by in Mr. Briney's boat while you're in the neighborhood.

You visit the Berry Master's home on Route 123 and get free berries. Then you go all the way around this corner of Hoenn until you get to Mt. Pyre, where you can optionally take a one-way trip back down Route 123 and... get free berries again.

And, then, the more heated moments in the story take you all the way back to places like Slateport City.

Unova was a smaller region, so you'd think they'd reuse towns for more parts in the story. They did the opposite. Once you get a badge and leave a town... you never go back there again. It's sad.

Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 03, 2012, 12:59:49 AM
or you know you go back to catch pokemon and train and rematch trainers and all that other poop you play pokemon for
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 03, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
or you know you go back to catch pokemon and train and rematch trainers and all that other poop you play pokemon for
You can't rematch trainers in B/W, and most people either catch all a route's Pokemon on their first trip to the route or wait until after the E4.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 03, 2012, 02:25:55 PM
after the E4.

this is when the game really starts so theres no problem with that
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 03, 2012, 07:19:35 PM
this is when the game really starts so theres no problem with that
I'm choosing to not take you seriously and instead laugh quietly to myself.

Also mentioning that B/W has surprisingly little replay value compared to Pt/HGSS.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 03, 2012, 07:39:31 PM
I'm choosing to not take you seriously and instead laugh quietly to myself.

Also mentioning that B/W has surprisingly little replay value compared to Pt/HGSS.
Zeph has already made it more than clear that his ideal Pokemon game would be a sandbox with no story at all. Or maybe an MMO.

Yeah, B/W had nothing left after beating Cynthia and the league a second time really.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Flying Chickens on April 03, 2012, 08:36:54 PM
But like R/S had you revisiting old towns that you haven't been in since the beginning of the game and stuff like that.

First of all, you visit Mauville City before each of your two adventures to the far north of the region. Tiny little town, but it was a nice little place to stock up on supplies at twice. You can also open up a tunnel in Verdanturf town nearby and get another glance at your first major city--Rustboro. Plus, the second time you're in Mauville, Wattson has another little mission for you.

After the fourth gym, you're taken back to Petalburg City, one of the first towns you ever walk into. You can also go back and explore the water routes you zipped by in Mr. Briney's boat while you're in the neighborhood.

You visit the Berry Master's home on Route 123 and get free berries. Then you go all the way around this corner of Hoenn until you get to Mt. Pyre, where you can optionally take a one-way trip back down Route 123 and... get free berries again.

And, then, the more heated moments in the story take you all the way back to places like Slateport City.

Unova was a smaller region, so you'd think they'd reuse towns for more parts in the story. They did the opposite. Once you get a badge and leave a town... you never go back there again. It's sad.
What? I was talking about Black and White. Ruby and Sapphire were never in question.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 03, 2012, 09:47:56 PM
Zeph has already made it more than clear that his ideal Pokemon game would be a sandbox with no story at all. Or maybe an MMO.

Yeah, B/W had nothing left after beating Cynthia and the league a second time really.

not entirely,

the point is that complaining that the game only forces you to go through each location once is only relevant if you only play through what the game forces on you (i.e. a tiny percentage of what pokemon offers)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 04, 2012, 12:50:51 AM
Is it wrong of me to still want an MMO for Pokemon? I could see it as super intercourse ing expansive with each region and I can absolutely see it drawing a massive crowd.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 04, 2012, 03:32:00 AM
Is it wrong of me to still want an MMO for Pokemon? I could see it as super intercourse ing expansive with each region and I can absolutely see it drawing a massive crowd.
I can't really wrap my head around how it would work in terms of balance. It would likely need its own battle and stat systems and to be incompatible with other games.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 04, 2012, 07:48:20 AM
The existing pokemon formula is not even close to something that can work as an MMO.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 04, 2012, 07:50:46 AM
The existing pokemon formula is not even close to something that can work as an MMO.

It'd be a complete disaster.

The current online fan mmos are terrible despite not being a decent representation of what Nintendo could put out.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 04, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
What? I was talking about Black and White. Ruby and Sapphire were never in question.
I'm comparing B/W to R/S, which had a lot of crossing paths and town revisits. R/S has B/W beat in terms of stuff like that.

Zeph has already made it more than clear that his ideal Pokemon game would be a sandbox with no story at all. Or maybe an MMO.

Yeah, B/W had nothing left after beating Cynthia and the league a second time really.
I was kind of disappointed. I circled around the two or three extra routes and stuff, but after I've caught everything and battled everyone, there's nothing. In HGSS I could entertain myself with Voltorb Flip, or play in the Battle Frontier. The Battle Subway in B/W doesn't even keep records. Pointless.

not entirely,

the point is that complaining that the game only forces you to go through each location once is only relevant if you only play through what the game forces on you (i.e. a tiny percentage of what pokemon offers)
And what else is there to do? Walk around in circles battling the same Wild Pokemon you already caught over and over again? There's really no point in going back to a route or town that never offers anything new.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 04, 2012, 06:10:02 PM
someone hasn't played an MMO before

If one were to be made, we would see quests, dungeons, professions, side-crap, mini-games, etc.

Legendaries would probably be uncatchable and would be bosses of sorts.

I won't lie, I'd check it out if it was a real thing, but I just don't see it happening and even if it ever did I have so many doubts about quality that well...ugh.

Lets move on.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 04, 2012, 06:53:15 PM
The biggest problem is that pokemon doesn't lend itself well  to coop play and an entirely pvp mmo is a terrible idea.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 07, 2012, 04:29:24 PM
Serebii was wrong again. We're might something next week, though. Serebii says that there will be a battle between Black Kyurem and White Kyurem shown next week, but I honestly don't trust him anymore. CoroCoro hits next week as well.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 07, 2012, 07:26:18 PM
so they both exist at the same time huh

:/
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 08, 2012, 05:13:06 AM
so they both exist at the same time huh

:/
It's a two-player battle.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 08, 2012, 09:50:51 AM
It's a two-player battle.

Makes sense
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 11, 2012, 09:27:29 PM
NEWS!

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The first images from CoroCoro have started to come. These images showcase the first screenshots of Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 and provide a lot of information. First, the game is set in Unova and shows the new trainers and the rival. The game is set 2 years latr than in BW and features Unova being partially frozen. The Unova Pokédex has 300 Pokémon within it. There are various new areas in Unova including Hiougi City, where you begin your journey. There are other areas which has a gym leader who focuses upon Poison; Homika, who is also said to be in the anime this June. Another gym leader is Shizui, the Water-type leader. The trainer with the spiky hair is the rival and there is a new researcher called Akuroma who researches Pokémon Strength
Hiougi City has a Pokémon Centre and a Trainer School and areas where you can look upon the areas. There are shops, underwater tunnels with clear glass (mantines flowing overhead), building with blue and red statues all around Unova.
That's all the information these scans provide.
It has also been confirmed that Black Kyurem will know the move Freeze Shock and that White Kyurem knows the move Ice Burn.
Within the new Unova Pokédex, which contains a combination of old and new Pokémon, Psyduck is #026, Riolu is #033 and Metagross is #254. We'll bring more should it come later

From CoroCoro, in a nutshell:

-B2/W2 will take place in Unova (NOT Hoenn)
-Unova has new areas added to it, including a new start town. I really predicted this and hoped for it, and it happened. So they're not just using Unova again, they're adding to it.
-The setting is 2 years after B/W (realistic) and Unova is partly frozen (from Kyurem, likely)
-There are at least 2 new gym leaders. Dunno if they're replacements or what. Also a new rival.
-Unova Pokedex is bumped from ~150 to 300. It features pokemon from Gens I-IV such as Riolu, Psyduck, and Metagross!

On the pokedex thing:

YES. SO MUCH YES. The three Pokemon confirmed to be in the local dex are pokemon you can catch in Unova already (albeit post-e4) so maybe the entire region will be accessible from the start, and Undella town, etc. can be reached before the E4? Anyone agree with me?

But I'm so happy about the huge local Pokedex. It's gonna be really hard to pix six Pokemon for a team, though. It kind of seems too big, almost. But then again G/S's local dex had about 250.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 11, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
Finally, I can possibly have a cute little Riolu right at the start without having to go through the trouble of trading or getting one as an egg in the very last legs.

Also, two new Gym Leaders? I wonder if there are more replacements, and the unlucky two who got shafted over them.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 11, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Finally, I can possibly have a cute little Riolu right at the start without having to go through the trouble of trading or getting one as an egg in the very last legs.

Also, two new Gym Leaders? I wonder if there are more replacements, and the unlucky two who got shafted over them.
Maybe not at the start, it might remain in the cave on Route 9...
...but you'll be able to enter the cave before beating the e4.

Someone needs to figure out how many older-gen Pokemon are available in Unova (without swarms). If that number's close to 150, then.... that's probably all there's gonna be. Just earlier access to the areas with older Pokemon. I'm not too confident they'll be mixed in with regular wild Pokemon everywhere... but Unova might change a lot after two years...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 02:57:46 AM
Nice. I was wrong about a new region, but right that it's not "just" a third version! ^_^
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 12, 2012, 06:54:23 AM
No one is commenting on how intercourse ing ridiculous the Male trainer looks? Good god his head is the stupidest intercourse ing thing I've ever seen in a Pokemon game. Even stupider than Bidoof.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17jbqsavc4a81jpg/xlarge.jpg)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 07:40:17 AM
*shrug* Looks fine to me. Just play as the girl if it bothers you that much.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 12, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
No one is commenting on how intercourse ing ridiculous the Male trainer looks? Good god his head is the stupidest intercourse ing thing I've ever seen in a Pokemon game. Even stupider than Bidoof.

So he has big hair, so what? The girl trainer is is the weird one; not only is that hair completely ridiculous, but the skirt looks like a trash bag she pulled half-way over her tights; the yellow color doesn't even go well with the rest of her. Hilbert and Hilda looked way better than these two; also, these two look younger for some reason.

But man, dat rival, he looks awesome. He also doesn't look friendly OR evil, he just looks like a jerk, in which case this would be the first time we've had a rival like that since Blue. Oh man, I reeally hope he's a jerk.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 07:45:04 AM
So he has big hair, so what? The girl trainer is is the weird one; not only is that hair completely ridiculous, but the skirt looks like a trash bag she pulled half-way over her tights; the yellow color doesn't even go well with the rest of her. Hilbert and Hilda looked way better than these two; also, these two look younger for some reason.

But man, dat rival, he looks awesome. He also doesn't look friendly OR evil, he just looks like a jerk, in which case this would be the first time we've had a rival like that since Blue. Oh man, I reeally hope he's a jerk. Also, notice that girl in the bottom left? Is SHE a rival? What if this time the rivals are actually split, so the guy trainer fights the guy rival and the girl trainer fights the girl rival? That would be cool.

The girl in the corner is a new gym leader. Posion-type. There's also a new water gym leader.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 12, 2012, 08:13:20 AM
Serebii shots:

(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/bw2scan1.jpg)
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/bw2scan2-1.jpg)
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/bw2scan3.jpg)

I like the way the gym leaders look; Poison being a guitarist is pretty funny, and Water looks like he's Aqualad or something.

But WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON WITH THE PROFESSOR'S HEAD?!?!
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 09:25:07 AM
Calling it now: the professor is evil and will use you to achieve his goal.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 12, 2012, 10:24:13 AM
*shrug* Looks fine to me. Just play as the girl if it bothers you that much.

I'm not a girl. Unless I'm Bayonetta or Peach in SSBM, I don't really enjoy playing as one.

I don't see how anyone could think that he looks fine. I'm not the only one on the internet that agrees with this sentiment.

So he has big hair, so what? The girl trainer is is the weird one; not only is that hair completely ridiculous, but the skirt looks like a trash bag she pulled half-way over her tights; the yellow color doesn't even go well with the rest of her. Hilbert and Hilda looked way better than these two; also, these two look younger for some reason.

No, she's fine. Compared to past male trainers(especially B/W's, which was a major step up from D/P's), this one is just overwhelmingly bad. Big hair(lol anime) isn't even the problem. It's how its done in the first place.

I can't forgive bad hero design. It's who I'm playing as throughout the game and part of the RPG experience. Pokemon is a game series where its becoming more and more difficult to look past its flaws to begin with, so hopefully some more features for this game get announced before I completely lose interest.

EDIT: I just realized the male hero has TIGHTS underneath his shorts. His design just got even worse.



Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 12, 2012, 11:28:38 AM
Calling it now: the professor is evil and will use you to achieve his goal.
So he might turn out to be a Rowan type, though.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 12, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
I'm not a girl. Unless I'm Bayonetta or Peach in SSBM, I don't really enjoy playing as one.

I don't see how anyone could think that he looks fine. I'm not the only one on the internet that agrees with this sentiment.

No, she's fine. Compared to past male trainers(especially B/W's, which was a major step up from D/P's), this one is just overwhelmingly bad. Big hair(lol anime) isn't even the problem. It's how its done in the first place.

I can't forgive bad hero design. It's who I'm playing as throughout the game and part of the RPG experience. Pokemon is a game series where its becoming more and more difficult to look past its flaws to begin with, so hopefully some more features for this game get announced before I completely lose interest.

EDIT: I just realized the male hero has TIGHTS underneath his shorts. His design just got even worse.




Stop intercourse ing complaining, it's your opinion that you don't like him and not everyone agrees with you. Deal with it.

He's no Gold, but he doesn't look that bad.

But man, dat rival, he looks awesome. He also doesn't look friendly OR evil, he just looks like a jerk, in which case this would be the first time we've had a rival like that since Blue. Oh man, I reeally hope he's a jerk.
What if he's like the Dark Pit of the Pokemon universe? Squee. Can I play as the rival please?

Can I at least name him? I might have to name him after Pittoo. .-.

But yeah, I really love the new professor and gym leaders. It makes this feel totally different from Emerald/Platinum, and I'm really enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
I guess the tights are kinda weird. It doesn't seem like a big deal, though. You'll never see it in game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 12, 2012, 02:26:40 PM
He does look a like a girl. I'd rather play as the Rival.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 12, 2012, 02:29:06 PM
The trainers look stupid. Plain and simple. I just think their designs are just awful. Not exactly the worst, maybe, but still, ugh.

Yes, the professor looks evil. Narrow eyes with potentially scary shiny glasses? Yeah, looks evil.

The bigger pokedex from the start is a good idea. With the lack of certain types in fifth gen, especially until towards the end of the game, expanding the roster is probably a good idea. Also, obtainable wild Eevees. I am happy. Heh heh. XP

The biggest thing will probably be the plot, as we've already been in this region a lot, so they better wow me with the new things they could put in.

Finally, a poison gym leader? Probably the single least effective type in the game aside from bugs. Unless you choose the grass starter, should be a cake walk.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 03:29:28 PM
Finally, a poison gym leader? Probably the single least effective type in the game aside from bugs. Unless you choose the grass starter, should be a cake walk.
Suddenly, Drapion.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 12, 2012, 03:30:39 PM
woulda been nice for a dark gym
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 12, 2012, 03:40:33 PM
Suddenly, Drapion.

Suddenly, always one exception to prove the rule. Scizor is awesome, but doesn't change the fact bug types are pretty much worthless overall. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 12, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
Venipede/Scolipede and Foongus/Amoongus are the only poison types from Gen 5.

You can fully expect it to be one of those poopty first-two gyms that only carries two pokemon.

Since you start in a new area I'm sure the gym leaders are in a different order. As such I'm calling it: the poison gym is early.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 12, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
Venipede/Scolipede and Foongus/Amoongus are the only poison types from Gen 5.

You can fully expect it to be one of those poopty first-two gyms that only carries two pokemon.

Since you start in a new area I'm sure the gym leaders are in a different order. As such I'm calling it: the poison gym is early.

Well, you're starting out with a pokedex of about 300 or so, or so the scans say. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a previous gen pokemon in there as well, but yeah, it looks like it'd be fairly early along with the water person.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Flying Chickens on April 12, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
You know, I miss Red/Blue trainer design. I mean really, what was it? Jeans, shirt, baseball cap. That was it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: X-3 on April 12, 2012, 04:39:13 PM
Calling it now: the professor is evil and will use you to achieve his goal.

Sounds like every other professor to me. "It's been my life-long dream to finish the Pokedex, so go do it for me, kid."
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 12, 2012, 04:43:10 PM
Venipede/Scolipede and Foongus/Amoongus are the only poison types from Gen 5.

You can fully expect it to be one of those poopty first-two gyms that only carries two pokemon.

Since you start in a new area I'm sure the gym leaders are in a different order. As such I'm calling it: the poison gym is early.
There's a few holes in your logic. First of all, you forgot Garbodor. You also forgot that there are 150 older-gen Pokemon added to the Unova pokedex, meaning I GUARANTEE that there will be more poison-types.

Secondly, even if there weren't any more (hypothetically; there's no doubt in my mind that we'll have older Poison types), it's never been a problem in the past. In Gen I, the FOURTH Elite Four member, the LAST type-specializing trainer in the game claims to specialize in Dragon-type Pokemon. There is ONE Dragon type family in Gen I. In Gen III, Elite Four Phoebe uses pokemon from only three families. Elite Four Glacia only uses two.

Wanna just talk gym leaders? The 7th gym leader (pair) in Ruby and Sapphire use only Lunatone and Solrock, which are just counterparts.

Still not convinced? Gen I's SIXTH gym leader, Koga, uses Pokemon from two evolutionary families. So does Blaine, the SEVENTH gym leader.

It's likely to be an early gym, since I can't imagine they'd reveal a late-game gym leader so early unless he/she was important to the plot otherwise. But your logic is entirely flawed.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 05:17:13 PM
Sounds like every other professor to me. "It's been my life-long dream to finish the Pokedex, so go do it for me, kid."
Yes, but it'll be an evil goal this time.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 12, 2012, 05:25:14 PM
Yes, but it'll be an evil goal this time.
Stop judging people by their looks.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 12, 2012, 05:35:40 PM
Stop judging people by their looks.
Maybe he should stop looking evil then.  :P
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 12, 2012, 07:41:34 PM
Stop intercourse ing complaining, it's your opinion that you don't like him and not everyone agrees with you. Deal with it.

He's no Gold, but he doesn't look that bad..

Yes it is my opinion. A negative one. Not everyone is going to poop rainbows when it comes to anything and everything Pokemon man. I think he looks intercourse ing dumb and I'm most definitely in the majority opinion here. I'm not saying you're an idiot for having a different opinion than me, rather, I'm trying to understand why you guys think he looks fine. There's a difference bro, so if you're going to dismiss my negative comments as "complaining", I can reciprocate that by dismissing your positive comments as blatant fanboyism. No one wins there man.

Is there anything that you do not like about Pokemon?

The trainers look stupid. Plain and simple. I just think their designs are just awful. Not exactly the worst, maybe, but still, ugh.

He does look a like a girl. I'd rather play as the Rival.

I'm glad I'm not alone
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on April 12, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
I can get used to the girl trainer. I don't really see what's wrong with her hair. It's in twin buns. What's the big deal? The yellow shorts/skirt thing is actually something that's in style right now. (You'll never see me wearing something like that, though. Mostly because it doesn't suit me.)

The male trainer on the other hand... just looks ridiculous. Everyone else can think what they want but in no culture whatsoever is that hairstyle acceptable. Seriously, someone find me a picture of a real life guy with hair like that because I've never seen it before. He has it all gathered onto the top of his head and then he lets it poof out. Whaaat the helllll? I'm just... glad I'm not a boy right now.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 12, 2012, 08:10:49 PM
I'm now expecting the differences to compare to the differences between first gen and the kanto half of 2nd gen

except without all the new pokemon and stronger trainers and everything that made exploring the same region over again fun.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 12, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
Stop judging people by their looks.

No.

I'm now expecting the differences to compare to the differences between first gen and the kanto half of 2nd gen

except without all the new pokemon and stronger trainers and everything that made exploring the same region over again fun.

So you expect Unova to be smaller in these games?

We already know that at least two new cities have been added so that doesn't really work.

Are you this pessimistic about everything even in real life? lol
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 13, 2012, 12:42:03 AM
so 2nd gen kanto + sevii islands
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 13, 2012, 04:22:27 AM
so 2nd gen kanto + sevii islands
That still implies that you think some older areas will be smaller or removed...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 13, 2012, 05:46:10 AM
That still implies that you think some older areas will be smaller or removed...

Well, there's a new starter town, so I don't see much point in going to the old one. Not to mention, it looks like it might be frozen on the map in those images...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 13, 2012, 05:51:30 AM
Well, there's a new starter town, so I don't see much point in going to the old one. Not to mention, it looks like it might be frozen on the map in those images...

*shrug* I'm sure they'll be unfrozen eventually. The only reason Kanto got smaller in gen 2 was the lack of cartridge space.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 13, 2012, 09:23:34 AM
After you leave your starter town in any Pokemon game there isn't much point in going back. In GSC to manage daylight savings time and money but other than that, eh.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
Yes it is my opinion. A negative one. Not everyone is going to poop rainbows when it comes to anything and everything Pokemon man. I think he looks intercourse ing dumb and I'm most definitely in the majority opinion here. I'm not saying you're an idiot for having a different opinion than me, rather, I'm trying to understand why you guys think he looks fine. There's a difference bro, so if you're going to dismiss my negative comments as "complaining", I can reciprocate that by dismissing your positive comments as blatant fanboyism. No one wins there man.

Is there anything that you do not like about Pokemon?

I'm glad I'm not alone
Hey, guess what? I don't intercourse ing like him either. IMO he's behind all the other male protagonists, even Brendan, in terms of looks. I totally do not have a different opinion than you and honestly you just pulled that from your ass like always.

I don't think he looks "fine", but it's pretty darn critical of you guys to take one look at him and say "OH MY FUCKING GOD HE LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE SHIT", when it's still not impossible for his design to be tweaked a bit before the game's release.

I never did once say I liked him. Because honestly I wish he looked better. I attacked specifically the sentence I bolded in your post when I quoted it: "I don't see how anyone could think that he looks fine." because people have different opinions, and I really doubt GameFreak would create a character that they and 100% of the fanbase hated the looks of.

You're gonna have to get used to him.

The rival, though. I like him. Maybe if he lost the weird collar he'd look better, but I think he looks pretty good. Except he looks like he's wearing tights just like everyone else. Maybe that's the style in the new frozen Unova?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 13, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
Hey, guess what? I don't intercourse ing like him either. IMO he's behind all the other male protagonists, even Brendan, in terms of looks. I totally do not have a different opinion than you and honestly you just pulled that from your ass like always.

You definitely do have a different opinion than I. I am not defending him. You are. There is a clear difference here. You're free to your opinion, as am I. The problem here is that you just can't stand it when someone is negative about your Pokemon games. You stated he didn't look that bad and were quick to jump to the Pokedefense. I don't pull poop from my ass "like always". I'm assuming you're talking about the rumor I brought up a couple days ago in another thread. And lol. Seriously? Good god Kayo. So, when Hero brings up a rumor, it's perfectly fine. When Zero brings up a rumor, OH MY GOD HE PULLED THE RUMOR STRAIGHT OUT OF HIS ASS. It was just playful speculation(which I provided a source for, btw). That's all. You're grasping at things to give me poop for, and it just makes you look bad man.

I don't think he looks "fine", but it's pretty darn critical of you guys to take one look at him and say "OH MY FUCKING GOD HE LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE SHIT", when it's still not impossible for his design to be tweaked a bit before the game's release.

You're sure as hell quick to defend the design though. Make up your mind. Also, what is wrong with being critical? What is wrong with having a negative opinion? You have a raging Poke-boner man and simply refuse to believe that Pokemon can do any wrong. It's what it is. You don't have to believe it yourself, but it'd probably help with your overall well-being to admit when you have a bias. I highly doubt that his design will change. They're too far into development for that. It isn't even such a big deal that I would demand them to change it either. Its just an overall, crappy design. I'm very thankful that this isn't Generation VI.

I never did once say I liked him. Because honestly I wish he looked better. I attacked specifically the sentence I bolded in your post when I quoted it: "I don't see how anyone could think that he looks fine." because people have different opinions, and I really doubt GameFreak would create a character that they and 100% of the fanbase hated the looks of.

No, but you said he didn't look that bad, and were quick to the defense. Which is a pretty clear indication that you're more on the positive side than the negative. I know that's what you attacked, but as I said before, I'm trying to understand what is even likable about him to begin with. He looks intercourse ing retarded. It's all I see. If someone could explain to me what it is that they like about him then that'd be fan-intercourse ing-tastic because I see nothing at all that makes him remotely acceptable.

You're gonna have to get used to him.

Of course. That doesn't mean that I have to like the design though.



Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 03:24:59 PM
Wow, I just... wow. I'm not defending him per se, but saying how you think it's physically impossible for anyone to not hate him is terribly rough and unnecessary, and in fact it's a little silly. I don't think he looks good (for the third time-- do you even read my posts?), but he just needs getting used to. I'm sure you didn't love the B/W protagonists at first glance, either.

I'm sorry if you think I'm singling you out, but I'm really not. Just step down off your high horse and think for a second. I don't live just to criticize you. Your problem is, when you present rumors, you present them as fact. That's... not good. You have to state that something's only a rumor (like Hero does), but that is neither here nor there.

I'm sure as hell quick to defend the design? For the love of all that is sacred, you're sure as hell quick to say it's the worst thing you ever laid eyes on.

I also love how often you put words in my mouth. You claim I think that "Pokemon can do no wrong", when that entirely contradicts the way I really feel about the franchise. If you want me to elaborate on all the poop Pokemon fails at, drop me a PM and I'd love to tell you.

Actually, screw the rest of your post and get this in your head: I do not like either of B2/W2's protagonist designs. I'm on the negative side, if any.

I'm actually disappointed I won't be able to play through this highly-anticipated game with a more attractive character. Maybe if his hair was just fixed a little bit, or he lost the tights. If either happened, I might be okay with it. Designs have changed this close to release in the past, so don't say it's impossible for it to change. Not likely, but not impossible.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 13, 2012, 03:57:10 PM
I stopped reading your post after the first sentence man

I don't think its impossible for anyone to not hate his design. I don't see how anyone can like it. There is a difference. And that's what I'm trying to get. What is to like about it? That is what I have been asking and I haven't really gotten an answer yet.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 13, 2012, 03:58:15 PM
I like the pineapple hair look.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 13, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
You won't see any of the stuff you're complaining about in his sprite so... yeah...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 04:53:05 PM
I stopped reading your post after the first sentence man

I don't think its impossible for anyone to not hate his design. I don't see how anyone can like it. There is a difference. And that's what I'm trying to get. What is to like about it? That is what I have been asking and I haven't really gotten an answer yet.
You better read the rest of my post, because otherwise your argument here is 100% pointless. You say you haven't gotten answers yet, and you refuse to read my posts. Classy.

You won't see any of the stuff you're complaining about in his sprite so... yeah...
Probably visible on the in-battle sprite, which you see before you send out your Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 13, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
You better read the rest of my post, because otherwise your argument here is 100% pointless. You say you haven't gotten answers yet, and you refuse to read my posts. Classy.

I didn't read your post because you're completely inept, Kayo. You say I'm putting words in your mouth but it's quite the opposite. In fact, I stopped reading because it doesn't even take you two sentences to assert that I thought it was impossible to like the design. I think we can both agree that the both of us are just arguing for the sake of it at this point. It doesn't make anything I said pointless, either, but you can continue to think that if you want.

You won't see any of the stuff you're complaining about in his sprite so... yeah...

You definitely can. We've already seen his sprite. You can see the pineapple hair. Thankfully, you can't see the tights.

I like the pineapple hair look.

I like pineapples.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on April 13, 2012, 05:15:41 PM
You won't see any of the stuff you're complaining about in his sprite so... yeah...

Oh, but you can. The poofy hair shows up pretty clearly in his sprite.

Edit: Oops. Posted this about the same time Zero posted his response. Oh well.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 13, 2012, 05:44:03 PM
god just shut the intercourse  up k
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 06:37:29 PM
god just shut the intercourse  up k
You're allowed to hate a character's design, and I'm not?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 13, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
The hair doesn't count because it's Japanese and that's normal.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 13, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
The hair doesn't count because it's Japanese and that's normal.

Can't really argue with that

still poopty
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 07:14:40 PM
Can't really argue with that

still poopty
I think you'll get used to it.

He's been in our lives for barely 2 days. I don't think I'll ever like him as much as Gold or Hilbert but I'm pretty sure I'll get used to him.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 13, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
Yeah.

Though I'm surprised that they haven't made customizable heroes yet. Harvest Moon recently implemented the feature.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 07:29:07 PM
Yeah.

Though I'm surprised that they haven't made customizable heroes yet. Harvest Moon recently implemented the feature.
I don't think that's really the Pokemon style, to be honest.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 13, 2012, 07:53:04 PM
http://serebii.net/black2white2/pics.shtml (http://serebii.net/black2white2/pics.shtml)

Serebii has updated with some pics. There seems to be a Crustle blockade in some city (this is so a Psyduck move).

Also, Unova's become far more futuristic. There's an underground water tunnel you can walk through.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 13, 2012, 08:00:57 PM
http://serebii.net/black2white2/pics.shtml (http://serebii.net/black2white2/pics.shtml)

Serebii has updated with some pics. There seems to be a Crustle blockade in some city (this is so a Psyduck move).

Also, Unova's become far more futuristic. There's an underground water tunnel you can walk through.

Don't forget the trailer.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjrXoEkG6JA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 13, 2012, 08:07:06 PM
if that much of unova is frozen over, i imagine this game being much smaller. i feel like the frozen areas will have very limited access
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 13, 2012, 08:46:06 PM
At last, the normal trainers are given some love. Now they have animated sprites.

It was kind of weird that all the important trainers (except Cheren, Bianca, and N) didn't have animated sprites in this gen.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 13, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
if that much of unova is frozen over, i imagine this game being much smaller. i feel like the frozen areas will have very limited access
I'm sure they won't be frozen for the entirety of the game, but yeah, it looks like Zeph was right. Sorry, Zeph.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 13, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
if that much of unova is frozen over, i imagine this game being much smaller. i feel like the frozen areas will have very limited access
Yeah, but remember, they're adding new routes and towns. The trailer featured several areas that don't exist in B/W.

I mean, the Pokemon League's frozen over. They gotta put that SOMEWHERE.

Besides, you can't get much smaller than B/W. It was the shortest game thus far in my experience. I doubt they'll make it even shorter. Have a little faith in the new areas.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 13, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Maybe the region is facing some kind of catastrophe due to Kyurem, and you're for the time being traveling around before you get to defrost Unova and open up the way.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: JrDude on April 13, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
Also, Unova's become far more futuristic. There's an underground water tunnel you can walk through.
lolwut
I've been through many of those as a kid, that's not futuristic.
I've even heard of a slide you can slide on that goes through a shark tank and you can see through it. I think it's in Vegas, but I'm not sure the source I heard that from is even reliable.
Regardless, this isn't more futuristic at all yet.

And, are these sprites really Kyurem? I thought it was gonna be new versions of the 2 legendaries it LOOKS like.
Regardless of what Pokémon they are, will they be having a new type in that form? Like, Fire/Ice, or Electric/Ice?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on April 13, 2012, 10:54:49 PM
Half of Unova is dead.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 14, 2012, 06:51:43 AM
Well, at least the male trainer sprite doesn't look as stupid in sprite form. Even for Japanese anime hair it looks stupid as all get out.

The world at least looks marginally better in terms of graphics. Looks like they're adding more color to the cities, so everything doesn't quite look the same unless you're in the "big city" of the game. Also, anyone else notice that the battle trainers aside from the main ones (rival, leaders, etc.) move now?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 14, 2012, 06:51:52 AM
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/pokemon/

Scroll down to see Kyurem's signature moves and hear the slightly remixed wild battle theme.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 14, 2012, 07:15:17 AM
Between the two legendaries and the new Poison gym, this doesn't seem like the game to choose the grass starter. :P
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 14, 2012, 08:16:40 AM
Between the two legendaries and the new Poison gym, this doesn't seem like the game to choose the grass starter. :P
Specifically Serperior AKA Legendaries' Punching Bag.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Doodle on April 14, 2012, 01:21:19 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/vd378z.jpg)
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 14, 2012, 01:31:46 PM
I mean to ask, what?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 14, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
Specifically Serperior AKA Legendaries' Punching Bag.
Seems so. Mind you, I'm going to use my Eeveelution team as soon as I can get them, but I ALWAYS pick the fire starter anyway. So yeah.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 14, 2012, 03:18:20 PM
If there's a move tutor, which I'm sure there will be, PLEASE. GIVE. SAMUROTT. SOMETHING.

I freaking love the way he looks, and I did choose him in my Black version, but he's just so... meh. Serperior and Emboar can at least do something special, even if there are other Pokemon who are better at it, but Samurott's got a whole lotta nothing. They couldn't even make him part Rock or Ice, which would have been perfect for a sea lion.

Shell Smash would be totally awesome and very fitting, but if that's too much to ask, at least give him something else worth learning.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 14, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
lolwut
I've been through many of those as a kid, that's not futuristic.
I've even heard of a slide you can slide on that goes through a shark tank and you can see through it. I think it's in Vegas, but I'm not sure the source I heard that from is even reliable.
Regardless, this isn't more futuristic at all yet.

And, are these sprites really Kyurem? I thought it was gonna be new versions of the 2 legendaries it LOOKS like.
Regardless of what Pokémon they are, will they be having a new type in that form? Like, Fire/Ice, or Electric/Ice?
Slowpoke much?

The sprites have been stated to be Kyurem since the games were announced, and it was confirmed about three weeks ago that they're retaining their Dragon/Ice typing. They're getting new signature moves though, like Icy fire or whatever they call them, that appears to blend ice with fire or electric. Not sure what they do in battle, though.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 15, 2012, 10:06:02 AM
Still choosing Tepig
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on April 15, 2012, 10:21:41 AM
I chose Snivy last time so I'll probably go with something else. Probably Oshawott.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 15, 2012, 12:12:56 PM
I chose Snivy last time and it proved to be terribly useless as far as the storyline goes (having a disadvantage against the first, third, fourth, sixth, seventh, and eighth gyms is just so bad it seems like GameFreak wasn't even paying attention when they chose the gym types.) and I ended up finishing the game with a Samurott, since bluaki was nice enough to supply anyone who asked with Pokemon eggs at the start of our journeys~.

So yeah I might end up choosing Tepig. My least favorite of the three, but it's the only one I still haven't actually used in the story. And statistically, it's probably the most powerful. Plus, it's always been my style to go with the hard-hitting Fire type starters, so I might as well see where that leads me in Unova.

This of course means I'll probably not have a Chandelure on my team again, since I don't think having two fire-types will be very helpful. Decisions ;_;
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 16, 2012, 03:53:13 AM
Oshawott's movepool is absolutely abysmal. Snivy's isn't much better. Tepig's line has a broader selection of moves, and a massive attack stat and as such they are really good in-game pokemon imo.

I dunno. May go with Snivy just for fun.

Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 16, 2012, 01:09:01 PM
Oshawott's movepool is absolutely abysmal. Snivy's isn't much better. Tepig's line has a broader selection of moves, and a massive attack stat and as such they are really good in-game pokemon imo.

I dunno. May go with Snivy just for fun.


Yeah, Tepig is the only one that is actually good in competitive battling. Snivy learns only Grass moves, and Oshawott learns.... Razor Shell.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 16, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
Yeah, Tepig is the only one that is actually good in competitive battling. Snivy learns only Grass moves, and Oshawott learns.... Razor Shell.

Serperior is a speedy dual screener, which is better than nothing, and Samurott's saving grace is Megahorn with enough stats to MAYBE pull off a Swords Dance before hand (hence my earlier rant of how sad he is); additionally, I'm pretty sure they're all in the same useless tier, which I guess is at least "balanced" compared to 4th gen's poor Torterra taking on two of the best starters ever. That said, Emboar has the best movepool and the health and power to use it, so he is better than his 5th gen brothers by at least a little bit.

I guess if I got Black 2, I'd get Emboar; it's different, I could have some fun 2-v-2 matches once he's as high as my Samurott, and I just don't care that much for Serperior (I only picked Samurott in spite of his stats/moves because he looks awesome).
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 16, 2012, 05:29:18 PM
Serperior is a speedy dual screener, which is better than nothing, and Samurott's saving grace is Megahorn with enough stats to MAYBE pull off a Swords Dance before hand (hence my earlier rant of how sad he is); additionally, I'm pretty sure they're all in the same useless tier, which I guess is at least "balanced" compared to 4th gen's poor Torterra taking on two of the best starters ever. That said, Emboar has the best movepool and the health and power to use it, so he is better than his 5th gen brothers by at least a little bit.

I guess if I got Black 2, I'd get Emboar; it's different, I could have some fun 2-v-2 matches once he's as high as my Samurott, and I just don't care that much for Serperior (I only picked Samurott in spite of his stats/moves because he looks awesome).
Serperior is my favorite on appearance alone, but it really can't do much at all. It's a pretty terrible dual screener, too, because of its awful defensive typing. But in fact, all three of the starters are in the NU tier (I honestly can't intercourse ing believe Emboar isn't RU at least)

They should just let us use Gen III starters. I miss my Blaziken.

Also, tiny image but
(http://gyazo.com/97d8bf9409d72f726280fe7dadb13970.png?1334622331)
Please, PLEASE don't intercourse ing tell me that little bit of stuff in the bottom left is all we get as far as new routes. That's not enough to make up for the loss of Icirrus, Opelucid, the Pokemon league, all of post-e4 Unova, and the entire area before the Skyarrow bridge.

I'm calling it, though. We'll get a bunch of extra routes to the West, and Anville Town will stop being isolated and instead connect via routes to the other new towns. It will expand, becoming a full-size town with a Pokemon Center and everything. It won't connect directly to Unova, but you can take the subway there to end up in Nimbasa city, where you have access to the rest of the old region.

Either that or the image is all we have, and it just opens up south of Driftveil City and the Cold Storage. But that really doesn't look like enough down there.

According to Serebii, the new starting town (which is nice and big with a Pokemon Center and everything -- YES.) will have a lookout point at the north where you can see the "mountains and routes ahead". That strongly implies that it's at the very bottom of that image there, and you're looking out over the new first few routes and seeing the mountains just west of Driftveil City.

But yeah, if we're completely unavailable to return to THAT MUCH of Unova.... I'm gonna be real mad. Maybe it thaws after you beat the E4? Then you can return to all those towns, and they'll probably be just a bit different. That would make logical sense to me.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 16, 2012, 05:51:53 PM
Maybe when you get to a certain part in the story, the frozen parts thaw? The ice does look kinda tacked on there, like maybe it just falls off the map eventually.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 16, 2012, 07:20:27 PM
Maybe when you get to a certain part in the story, the frozen parts thaw? The ice does look kinda tacked on there, like maybe it just falls off the map eventually.
I certainly hope so. It would be really silly for it not to, since it's not like GF needed to do any extra work to bring those towns back to us.

It certainly seems like the last of it would be thawed after the climax, when you defeat/catch the colored Kyurem. But I wonder what will be back in the old starting town?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 16, 2012, 07:35:46 PM
But I wonder what will be back in the old starting town?
Her.

(http://www.pocketmonsters.net/images/characters/2226.png)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: JrDude on April 16, 2012, 11:52:39 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that the frozen parts are obviously gonna thaw?
Kyurem is Ice Type. It's probably the cause of the freezing. Defeating it Plotwise should make it all thaw out eventually. Maybe even some of it get thawed during the story for game logic reasons.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 17, 2012, 04:11:09 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that the frozen parts are obviously gonna thaw?
Kyurem is Ice Type. It's probably the cause of the freezing. Defeating it Plotwise should make it all thaw out eventually. Maybe even some of it get thawed during the story for game logic reasons.

Yeah, this should be obvious to everyone.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 17, 2012, 05:38:17 AM
so we've dropped from trying to convince ourselves that the game will have a whole new region to convincing ourselves the game will have all of the existing region?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 17, 2012, 05:41:59 AM
so we've dropped from trying to convince ourselves that the game will have a whole new region to convincing ourselves the game will have all of the existing region?

High expectations I guess, although it almost certainly will thaw, and the people thinking a 3rd version would have a whole new region were never really thinking realistically imo.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 17, 2012, 07:48:14 AM
so we've dropped from trying to convince ourselves that the game will have a whole new region to convincing ourselves the game will have all of the existing region?

seems that way
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 17, 2012, 09:47:18 AM
so we've dropped from trying to convince ourselves that the game will have a whole new region to convincing ourselves the game will have all of the existing region?

Thinking that they arbitrarily removed 50% of the region from the game to make it smaller for no reason is beyond stupid. I'm 100% positive that the whole region (except for the few areas that they have vanished from the map). There's no reason not to believe it. Why even have the whole map like that just to have most of it permanently covered in ice? I know you're pessimistic, but come on. Even the Pokemon League is in the icy area. Plus, the ice is obviously just a translucent filter. If it weren't confirmed, I'd call it a bad photoshop.

Try to give me one reason to believe that the rest of the region won't be thawed. Just one that makes sense.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 17, 2012, 10:01:31 AM
i dont have one, im just pointing out the similarities between your argument now and your argument two weeks ago

and if we go further back we have that whole "numbered sequels are unprecedented this game will be like nothing you've ever played before" thing.

you know what's unprecedented? leaving half of the world out.


and since i'm on a roll here, here's another idea: they need to save something for black and white 3
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 17, 2012, 10:18:52 AM
i dont have one, im just pointing out the similarities between your argument now and your argument two weeks ago

and if we go further back we have that whole "numbered sequels are unprecedented this game will be like nothing you've ever played before" thing.

you know what's unprecedented? leaving half of the world out.


and since i'm on a roll here, here's another idea: they need to save something for black and white 3

The difference this time being that you're saying that they'd remove content just because.

And you're saying they'll save stuff they already had for the next game? Now you're just trolling.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 17, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
I'm not saying anything
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 17, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
Her.

(http://www.pocketmonsters.net/images/characters/2226.png)
Jessie giving a hotlinking message?

Am I the only one who thinks that the frozen parts are obviously gonna thaw?
Kyurem is Ice Type. It's probably the cause of the freezing. Defeating it Plotwise should make it all thaw out eventually. Maybe even some of it get thawed during the story for game logic reasons.
I'm pretty sure I said this exact thing. Unless I said it in an IM to someone rather than on here. But yeah, that's most likely what it'll be.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 17, 2012, 02:33:27 PM
I'm not saying anything
Yes you are.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 20, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
TRAILER 2

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7hUxQ0F04&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 20, 2012, 10:20:24 PM
Quote
Introducing downloadable software for use with Black 2 & White 2: Pokemon AR Searcher, a shooting game, also coming 6/23, for 300 yen. Capture Pokemon via AR shooting like in Face Raiders or Dempa Ningen, use them in Black 2 & White 2.

Pokedex Pro, an upgraded version of the previous Pokedex program, coming 7/14. New features. Pokedex Pro will cost 1500 yen, will be helpful in BW 2.

Japan dates, obviously. And that Pokedex app is intercourse ing expensive, but it's a national dex. The AR app lets you transfer Pokemon to BW2. REALLY happy about that, since it basically turns them into partly 3DS games. That means more 3DS sales, which means more 3DS support and more games for me!

... So, yes, I was wrong about no 3DS-specific features technically.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 21, 2012, 06:37:47 AM
At least it's something. I wish for the new 3D Dex they would make it a free download if you register Black 2 or White 2 in a certain amount of time. Again, to maybe increase 3DS sales along with the mini-game.

And now that they're doing the entire roster, who sees them using these models in a full 3D pokemon game for Gen 6?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 21, 2012, 08:12:53 AM
It'd certainly be nice.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 21, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
At least it's something. I wish for the new 3D Dex they would make it a free download if you register Black 2 or White 2 in a certain amount of time. Again, to maybe increase 3DS sales along with the mini-game.

And now that they're doing the entire roster, who sees them using these models in a full 3D pokemon game for Gen 6?
Probably, probably not about the 3D models.

Also, Nayrman, freaking add me back to your 3DS friend list already.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 22, 2012, 07:50:25 PM
And now that they're doing the entire roster, who sees them using these models in a full 3D pokemon game for Gen 6?
There would really be no excuse if they didn't. If they bumped Gen 6's graphics up to, say, the console games level (Battles like Col/XD even), I'd be happy. It would be a huge leap, and may take some time to get used to, but it would really be cool.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on April 22, 2012, 08:04:43 PM
Probably, probably not about the 3D models.

Also, Nayrman, freaking add me back to your 3DS friend list already.

I keep forgetting to do so...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 22, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
There would really be no excuse if they didn't. If they bumped Gen 6's graphics up to, say, the console games level (Battles like Col/XD even), I'd be happy. It would be a huge leap, and may take some time to get used to, but it would really be cool.

Most gen 1 & 2 Pokemon in the console battle games still use N64 models...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on April 22, 2012, 08:25:23 PM
Most gen 1 & 2 Pokemon in the console battle games still use N64 models...
Except they want a game like Colosseum except having Gyms and everything.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 22, 2012, 09:57:02 PM
Most gen 1 & 2 Pokemon in the console battle games still use N64 models...
How is this relevant? They're making all new 3D models for the Pokedex, bro. They'd just use those.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 23, 2012, 04:06:09 AM
How is this relevant? They're making all new 3D models for the Pokedex, bro. They'd just use those.

Because he said the console games' level. Also, we don't know yet if they finally made new models for all of them.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 23, 2012, 11:06:18 AM
I'm expecting something along the lines of the ds final fantasy remakes. full 3d with simple models and mostly fixed camera angles.


this is very doable and would look much better than the disgusting mess that is the console games
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 23, 2012, 11:53:53 AM
I'm expecting something along the lines of the ds final fantasy remakes. full 3d with simple models and mostly fixed camera angles.


this is very doable and would look much better than the disgusting mess that is the console games
The console games weren't a "disgusting mess"

Then again you don't know anything good when you see it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 23, 2012, 01:30:55 PM
considering the opposite is true of you, that comment has no weight at all
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 23, 2012, 03:16:08 PM
*looks up*

*makes popcorn*
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 23, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
For the record, I enjoyed Pokemon Colosseum for what it was
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 23, 2012, 05:41:51 PM
For the record, I enjoyed Pokemon Colosseum for what it was
Same here. I really didn't find any major flaws with it. What people need to realize is that it's not a main-series game and doesn't try to be. The darker storyline is pretty awesome too, how you start the game different from any other Pokemon game, by blowing up a laboratory. And then you play through the game with possessed Pokemon who sometimes turn and attack you, the Trainer.

But I digress. Just had to let out a little squee-ing over Colosseum.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 23, 2012, 06:11:27 PM
Also, let's get a larger image here.
(http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/bw2/unova_map_full.jpg)
Alright, down on the lower left we have a clearer shot of the new starting area, right? Right.

Hey, now check out the Desert route. See all the buildings lining the center of it? They're new.

Now locate the Village Bridge. Upper-rightmost bridge, it's brown. Look under the ice, above and to the right of it. It's a little bit of dark red color with blue in the middle. That's not the Pokemon League. It's something that wasn't in B/W. Just in case you didn't notice that. I didn't, at first.

So yeah, much of the region may be covered at first, but when it's revealed, there are new things. The area near Village Bridge may be just one of many new things. Also, look to the right of the Entralink, in the mountainside. I'd say that could be the Abundant Shrine, but there's a distinct cave up there that wasn't there before. It looks too far north to be anything we already have.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 23, 2012, 06:14:03 PM
As much as I like that game, there are lot of flaws with it.

Most notably is the fact that you know, you can't catch non-shadow Pokemon. It's as if the Orre region itself was designed to AVOID making a "full" 3D pokemon game. The story was bad and some of the character designs were stupid even by japanese standards. Hero was right earlier when he said a lot of the pokemon used Pokemon Stadium models, even if they WERE updated, they're the same poses and animations. Stadium had some really impressive models for its time, but they're just far too old to be using in a gamecube/wii game(Col, and Battle Revolution respectively).

The music is fantastic(some of my favorite Pokemon tunes are from that game) and the core gameplay is still same old Pokemon. It just could have been so much more.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 23, 2012, 06:51:54 PM
As much as I like that game, there are lot of flaws with it.

Most notably is the fact that you know, you can't catch non-shadow Pokemon. It's as if the Orre region itself was designed to AVOID making a "full" 3D pokemon game. The story was bad and some of the character designs were stupid even by japanese standards. Hero was right earlier when he said a lot of the pokemon used Pokemon Stadium models, even if they WERE updated, they're the same poses and animations. Stadium had some really impressive models for its time, but they're just far too old to be using in a gamecube/wii game(Col, and Battle Revolution respectively).

The music is fantastic(some of my favorite Pokemon tunes are from that game) and the core gameplay is still same old Pokemon. It just could have been so much more.

It seems like a setback at first, but I didn't really hate that idea. It strengthened the idea that you HAD to capture pokemon from other trainers and "save" them all. It stops being a problem after you purify one or two so that normal Pokemon make up the majority of your party.

And you could catch wild Pokemon in Orre, y'know. In XD. All that really wasn't in Orre in that regard is tall grass.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 23, 2012, 07:15:17 PM
It was severely limited in XD, and if I recall correctly, was half-assed in the sense that you weren't exploring anything. You got a beep on the Spot Monitor, left the area you were in, then clicked on the area(there were like what, three?), and the encounter was initiated. No exploration.

You can't tell me that left you satisfied.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 23, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
It was severely limited in XD, and if I recall correctly, was half-assed in the sense that you weren't exploring anything. You got a beep on the Spot Monitor, left the area you were in, then clicked on the area(there were like what, three?), and the encounter was initiated. No exploration.

You can't tell me that left you satisfied.
I didn't play Col/XD to catch wild Pokemon. I don't give a poop.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 23, 2012, 09:10:52 PM
I cared. Mostly because I'd like to play a fully 3D Pokemon game that actually tries.

With some games I enjoy, I can look past their flaws. With both XD and Col it was as if I was getting cock-teased, so it makes it that much more difficult.

My last hope lies with Gen VI.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 24, 2012, 12:05:35 PM
I cared. Mostly because I'd like to play a fully 3D Pokemon game that actually tries.

With some games I enjoy, I can look past their flaws. With both XD and Col it was as if I was getting cock-teased, so it makes it that much more difficult.

My last hope lies with Gen VI.

I'm not so sure they'd really be willing to give the main-series games liberties like full 3D and 8-directional movement, but hey, you never know. BW came SO CLOSE to that with the semicircular outer street and central area of Castelia City, the looped ramps like on Skyarrow Bridge, and the changed camera angle on Tubeline Bridge. It seemed like they were trying to nudge more than "4 movement directions and a fixed camera" into the mix, but were too afraid (or more likely, limited by the system) to go farther than that.

But hey, Gen VI will be on the 3DS (as certainly as possible without blunt confirmation), which for the first time of all Nintendo handhelds, has an analog stick. You can't just have a system with an analog stick and stick with 4 directional movement. I think Gen VI will have 8 directions, which lends itself to being more 3D.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 24, 2012, 04:10:30 PM
you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 24, 2012, 04:51:10 PM
you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
^didn't read more than three words of my post
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 24, 2012, 06:01:16 PM
^didn't read more than three words of my post
"I'm not so"

So he thinks that you don't exist?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 24, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
"I'm not so"

So he thinks that you don't exist?
Most likely, as he never has anything legitimate to say about my posts.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 24, 2012, 06:49:29 PM
or that part where you wrote a two paragraph reply without one accurate or logical statement
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 24, 2012, 07:40:54 PM
or that part where you wrote a two paragraph reply without one accurate or logical statement
>He thinks the 3DS isn't the first Nintendo handheld to have movement controls other than the D-pad!
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on April 24, 2012, 08:22:54 PM
poop you font one

but the ds simulated it often enough with the touchscreen so its a technicality at best
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 24, 2012, 08:26:02 PM
poop you font one

but the ds simulated it often enough with the touchscreen so its a technicality at best
what the actual intercourse  are you even talking about
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on April 29, 2012, 03:49:34 AM
From Serebii yesterday:

Quote
Japanese variety show, Pokémon Smash, is currently airing and is showing some new footage from Black 2 & White 2 which showcases various uses of the Pokémon Keldeo within it. First it revealed that Keldeo is #298 in the Unova Pokédex, with the Pokémon summary screen having slight aesthetic changes to Black & White, and shows Sewaddle in an early route as well as Growlithe in a new route surrounded by various towers with bridges connecting between the raised platforms. A battle is shown against two Sunkern. Magby, Koffing and Magnemite were also showcased and ended with a wireless battle against a Ho-Oh. A video will be uploaded by our friends at Filb shortly. The pre-release screenshot page has been updated with these images in the meantime, click the image to go to the page
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 29, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
sweet

magbys and growlithes
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 29, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
From Serebii yesterday:

The most surprising part for me is Keldeo actually being in the regional Pokedex. Apparently, it's NOT event-only? Will it be caught regularly in-game just like any other legendary?

Just for the record, Keldeo's home has been stated to be the Moor of Icirrus. Whether or not that's where it'll be if it's caught is unknown, there's a good chance.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 29, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
Hey, remember when we got the Azure flute and got to go to the alternate dimension and catch Arceus! Oh wait...

I think we'll be getting Keldeo, Melodia or whatever, and Genesect in the same anti-climactic manner. Then again, we did get Regigigas and Shaymin properly, so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 30, 2012, 12:57:30 PM
Hey, remember when we got the Azure flute and got to go to the alternate dimension and catch Arceus! Oh wait...

I think we'll be getting Keldeo, Melodia or whatever, and Genesect in the same anti-climactic manner. Then again, we did get Regigigas and Shaymin properly, so I could be wrong.
What the hell are you talking about? Arceus wasn't in the Sinnoh regional Pokedex. Neither were Regigigas and Shaymin, for that matter, but Shaymin was still event-only whild Regigigas wasn't. I literally can't comprehend what you're trying to say because it makes no sense; I think you got your facts wrong.

But Keldeo is apparently in the REGIONAL Pokedex; which according to all the past Regional dexes implies that it is obtainable through normal gameplay. Pokemon like Celebi, Jirachi, Deo--No, wait a second. I'm actually not so sure about this.

Now that I think about it, the only Pokemon that were considered "Not in any regional Pokedex (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_that_do_not_appear_in_any_regional_Pok%C3%A9dex)" were the surplus of legendaries in D/P.

Turns out, event legendary Pokemon HAVE been in regional Pokedexes; Jirachi was #201 and Deoxys was #202 in the Hoenn dex. Keldeo was #153 out of 155 in B/W's local Pokedex.

What this means is, the fact that Keldeo is #298 in the Unova dex means absolutely nothing. #299 is Meloetta, #300 is Genesect. They'll still probably be event-only.

But maybe a Keldeo will be available around the game's release (like Victini was) due to its appearance in a movie about Kyurems or something like that.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on April 30, 2012, 01:14:53 PM
(http://dailyfacepalm.chillpages.com/stroage-pit/uploads/2010/08/1272303749024.png)

He was being sarcastic, bro.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 30, 2012, 01:25:20 PM
(http://dailyfacepalm.chillpages.com/stroage-pit/uploads/2010/08/1272303749024.png)

He was being sarcastic, bro.
No, I knew he was on the first thing he said, but the second part of his message is what lost me. Especially about getting Regigigas and Shaymin "properly", when one was in-game and one was event only.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on April 30, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
I have no idea what you're ranting about.

You mentioned that Keldeo's home was the Moor of Icirrus and that we may find it there, so I was suggesting that that may not be the case given that some legendaries (well, at least Arceus) never get their proper events in-game and are just flat-out given to us.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on April 30, 2012, 05:54:41 PM
I have no idea what you're ranting about.

You mentioned that Keldeo's home was the Moor of Icirrus and that we may find it there, so I was suggesting that that may not be the case given that some legendaries (well, at least Arceus) never get their proper events in-game and are just flat-out given to us.
I'm kinda thinking they realize that they never actually gave us the Arceus event and will fix that this gen.

However I have no clue where Meloetta and Genesect would go. Maybe Genesect would go in the P2 Laboratory? I've always wondered why it gets a spot on the map when it's really only a tiny empty building. (Which you find an item in on your first visit, an up-grade I think)

But yeah if it's a Team Plasma building, and Genesect was modified by Team Plasma (unless I'm thinking wrong), then it would make sense. But yeah, where to put Meloetta?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 11, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
CoroCoro has leaked. Go to Serebii to see it all, but there's quite a bit of cool info, including some returning characters. Don't go if you don't want surprises ruined, though.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 11, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
Since Hero chose to avoid saying directly what was announced, I'll be considerate and offer my response to one revelation within a spoiler box.

[spoiler]Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus each have new forms.

Oh, God.

No.




Actually, this might be a good thing. I can't really see them in that pic there, but they might ACTUALLY end up looking like Pokemon. But really, We how have SIX legendary Pokemon in this generation that have multiple formes. (Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Kyurem, Meloetta, and Genesect). That's way too overkill. I'm not happy about that. I wonder what the alt formes will be called, and how they'd be relevant to the new story.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 11, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
so now you want less things to change...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 12, 2012, 04:49:11 AM
Since Hero chose to avoid saying directly what was announced, I'll be considerate and offer my response to one revelation within a spoiler box.

[spoiler]Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus each have new forms.

Oh, God.

No.




Actually, this might be a good thing. I can't really see them in that pic there, but they might ACTUALLY end up looking like Pokemon. But really, We how have SIX legendary Pokemon in this generation that have multiple formes. (Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Kyurem, Meloetta, and Genesect). That's way too overkill. I'm not happy about that. I wonder what the alt formes will be called, and how they'd be relevant to the new story.[/spoiler]

Actually, it was the returning characters that I didn't want to mention here, since that seems like a bigger surprise to me. New formes are always good, imo.

This is looking like it might be the be the biggest Pokemon game yet.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on May 12, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
Actually, it was the returning characters that I didn't want to mention here, since that seems like a bigger surprise to me. New formes are always good, imo.

This is looking like it might be the be the biggest Pokemon game yet.
Puh-lease, we shouldn't care too much about the characters at this point. The manuals always spoil the names and appearances of all Gym Leaders.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 12, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
Puh-lease, we shouldn't care too much about the characters at this point. The manuals always spoil the names and appearances of all Gym Leaders.
But not for post-game stuff, and who reads the manual anyway?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 12, 2012, 11:40:47 AM
so now you want less things to change...
So you want them to whore out new formes until no tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 12, 2012, 12:19:52 PM
I'm still not expecting these games to be particularly different from black and white. Only pointing out the continuing inconsistencies in everyone else's statements.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 12, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
I'm still not expecting these games to be particularly different from black and white. Only pointing out the continuing inconsistencies in everyone else's statements.
Can I point out one in yours? The games aren't even out yet and we already know of new towns and gym leaders, including a new starting location. There is way more new content than in any of the past same-region sequels, and that's not even my opinion. It's fact which can be easily supported. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 12, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
that's not an inconsistency, I've held the same position since the beginning of the thread.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 12, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
that's not an inconsistency, I've held the same position since the beginning of the thread.
Ah, so you're just so caught up in your desire to be right that you reject all facts that are presented to you.

Alright, whatever.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on May 12, 2012, 01:30:13 PM
But not for post-game stuff, and who reads the manual anyway?
Yes, but there's no post-game stuff yet. Also, I read the manual. I can somehow prepare myself against a Gym type.

And for that matter, here's at least three gym leaders:

[spoiler]Cheren - Normal Type - First Gym
Homika - Poison Type - Speculated to be the Second Gym
That tan dude whose name I give a darn about for being Japanese - Water Type - Speculated to be the Third or Fourth Gym[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 12, 2012, 04:12:14 PM
Can I point out one in yours? The games aren't even out yet and we already know of new towns and gym leaders, including a new starting location. There is way more new content than in any of the past same-region sequels, and that's not even my opinion. It's fact which can be easily supported. Thank you very much.
To Zeph, "particularly different" means new generation. He won't compromise.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 12, 2012, 04:16:19 PM
Yes, but there's no post-game stuff yet. Also, I read the manual. I can somehow prepare myself against a Gym type.

And for that matter, here's at least three gym leaders:

[spoiler]Cheren - Normal Type - First Gym
Homika - Poison Type - Speculated to be the Second Gym
That tan dude whose name I give a darn about for being Japanese - Water Type - Speculated to be the Third or Fourth Gym[/spoiler]

I'm not talking about those gym leaders.

[spoiler]'m talking about the Pokemon World Tournament where you fight gym leaders and champions from past gens.[/spoiler]

That's obviously post-game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 12, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
Yes, but there's no post-game stuff yet. Also, I read the manual. I can somehow prepare myself against a Gym type.

And for that matter, here's at least three gym leaders:

[spoiler]Cheren - Normal Type - First Gym
Homika - Poison Type - Speculated to be the Second Gym
That tan dude whose name I give a darn about for being Japanese - Water Type - Speculated to be the Third or Fourth Gym[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Whowhowhowhwowhoaaaa, Cheren's a gym leader now? My, how times have changed.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on May 12, 2012, 07:17:01 PM
Cheren and Bianca are still pricks. That is all.

[spoiler]Actually, I do like all the returning characters. Gary Fucking Oak everybody. Also, Lance, Steven, and Cynthia hm? 3 of the 4 (or 5 if you include either Alder or Black/White) are in the game, and Cynthia mentions a champions tournament before. Hoping this may eventually lead to a Red appearance.

Also, intercourse  more forme changes. I really never liked them and seeing more of them just kind of annoys me. It's not a killer per say but I still think it's stupid.

At least it seems they're trying a bit harder to do some geniunely new things with the story set up than usual, so I'll appreciate that at least.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on May 12, 2012, 09:17:36 PM
[spoiler]Heck yeah, ALL THE CHAMPIONS!! Blue, Lance, Steven, Cynthia, and Alder, together at last! Granted, I guess you could count Wallace, but who cares about Wallace. Also, the fact that the three confirmed returning gym leaders are Volkner (one of my favorite gym leaders), Brock and Misty (Ash's Season 1 sidekicks) practically has me giddy, though other gym leaders would probably show up too at some point. Actually, this makes me wonder; are Brock, Misty, and Volkner really being treated as equals alongside the Champions? Does that mean they were the best gym leaders and made it to this contest thing? Man, I'm actually EXCITED for this game now. Also I'd like Red to show up too, but I'm not betting on it; fighting a double battle against Red and Blue would be sweeeeeet.

As for the alt forms of the genies, they appear to be a bird, a tiger, and a dragon... cool, but I question what types they'd become. Perhaps they're just pure now? Or maybe Thundurus is now the second Dragon/Electric?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 13, 2012, 01:25:28 AM
To Zeph, "particularly different" means new generation. He won't compromise.
if you were right about the hoenn poop that would have worked for me.
of course there was no chance of that, but the point is a new generation was obviously not going to happen and there are other options.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 13, 2012, 06:04:31 AM
Ah, so you're just so caught up in your desire to be right that you reject all facts that are presented to you.

Alright, whatever.

wait what
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 13, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
if you were right about the hoenn poop that would have worked for me.
of course there was no chance of that, but the point is a new generation was obviously not going to happen and there are other options.
You realize that we might be getting Gen VI early, right?

Which will probably disappoint you greatly.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 13, 2012, 12:59:41 PM
you're still making less sense with every post
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 13, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
if you were right about the hoenn poop that would have worked for me.
of course there was no chance of that, but the point is a new generation was obviously not going to happen and there are other options.

We're getting basically half a new region and many parts of the old region are drastically changed on top of that, along with a mostly new set of gym leaders and a new plot with new characters, and yet you're still calling it the same game. Face it; you're hard to please.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 13, 2012, 03:26:29 PM
It's really quite simple. I'm willing to pay $40 or whatever for pokemon games because I can sink several hundred hours into the game and only scratch the surface of the underlying mechanics.

at best, black and white 2 will "change" the first 10 to 20 of those hours. the rest will be exactly the same game I played a year ago.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 13, 2012, 05:33:19 PM
It's really quite simple. I'm willing to pay $40 or whatever for pokemon games because I can sink several hundred hours into the game and only scratch the surface of the underlying mechanics.

at best, black and white 2 will "change" the first 10 to 20 of those hours. the rest will be exactly the same game I played a year ago.
Except Black and White had very little replay value; there's not much you can do with your few hundred hours. B2/W2 already appear to add a lot more to that. A lot more postgame stuff that B/W didn't have. This game duo will have so much more replay value than its prequel, and that's honestly something you can't even deny. Either you've reached a whole new level of stupid or you're just trying to be a troll.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 13, 2012, 05:43:15 PM
nope you're still missing the point
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 13, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
We're getting basically half a new region and many parts of the old region are drastically changed on top of that, along with a mostly new set of gym leaders and a new plot with new characters, and yet you're still calling it the same game. Face it; you're hard to please.

If anything, this sort of direction is what they've been pushing for with past "expansion" iterations anyway.

It won't be the same game but it will definitely feel nearly the same. It still doesn't have enough added content to stand on its own. And that's fine, and can certainly change with more reveals.

As things stand now its still just Game Freak trying a little harder than they did with Platinum. I like this direction that they're going though, so maybe by Gen VI we'll see a "third" version that feels like an actual expansion.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on May 13, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
I think you guys are forgetting something important.

This isn't an expansion, but it isn't the same game either.

It's a sequel. It's a direct sequel. We haven't gotten one of these before in Pokemon. It's the same setting with new characters, new plot, new features.

This will be incomparable to previous "third" games.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 14, 2012, 09:29:47 AM
it's the same setting the same pokemon the same mechanics, 90% of the same plot with a handful of new features to make you think you're getting something bigger than you are.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 14, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
I think you guys are forgetting something important.

This isn't an expansion, but it isn't the same game either.

It's a sequel. It's a direct sequel. We haven't gotten one of these before in Pokemon. It's the same setting with new characters, new plot, new features.

This will be incomparable to previous "third" games.

You would be 100% correct if the plot in B/W had some depth to it.

Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 14, 2012, 12:05:44 PM
it's the same setting the same pokemon the same mechanics, 90% of the same plot with a handful of new features to make you think you're getting something bigger than you are.
Same Pokemon? Uh, no. I think you missed when they said that the local dex will have what, 300 Pokemon this time? We'll see Unova Pokemon again, but what's your point? Gold and Silver had the Kanto Pokemon in them again, don't think anyone complained about that.

Because we're getting a bunch of other gen Pokemon in our local dex, we'll probably be playing through with different Pokemon. The new additions to the Unova dex will most likely be shuffled into the mix and become available from the beginning.

You can't expect the mechanics to change. The game has always played basically the same way.
Same plot? Yes and no, It's a SEQUEL. It's a continuation of the plot, which will probably be more elaborate than what we saw in B/W.

"Handful of new features", are you REALLY trying to make that argument? It's not like we've even SEEN everything the sequels have to offer.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 14, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
it's the same setting the same pokemon the same mechanics, 90% of the same plot with a handful of new features to make you think you're getting something bigger than you are.

No. If you say that, then you have to say that all Pokemon games have 90% of the same plot, which kinda moots your point anyway.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 14, 2012, 04:18:25 PM
No. If you say that, then you have to say that all Pokemon games have 90% of the same plot, which kinda moots your point anyway.
He never had a point to begin with, bro.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 14, 2012, 07:57:55 PM
No. If you say that, then you have to say that all Pokemon games have 90% of the same plot, which kinda moots your point anyway.

It's the truth though.

Collect Gym Badges. Become Champion. Catch them all.

Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 14, 2012, 08:36:31 PM
No. If you say that, then you have to say that all Pokemon games have 90% of the same plot, which kinda moots your point anyway.
yes i was specifically planning to say that if anyone tried to argue my point

plot has not been a reason to play pokemon since gen 1.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 16, 2012, 07:11:14 PM
yes i was specifically planning to say that if anyone tried to argue my point

plot has not been a reason to play pokemon since gen 1.
Are you implying that Gen I had a plot and all the games since did not?
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on May 16, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
Are you implying that Gen I had a plot and all the games since did not?

He didn't even remotely imply that. Now both of you stop whining and watch this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lwhnt4ytE3k[/youtube]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 16, 2012, 07:35:58 PM
Are you implying that Gen I had a plot and all the games since did not?
do you ever think before you post
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 16, 2012, 07:38:47 PM
Cool video. Still hate pineapple head.

Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on May 16, 2012, 08:52:29 PM
Cool video. Still hate pineapple head.
Speak for yourself. Japanese voices don't do Lucarios much good.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 16, 2012, 09:39:55 PM
Speak for yourself.

Uh, I was
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on May 16, 2012, 09:45:59 PM
Uh, I was
Yes, I know. I still need to learn how to use English phrases right...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 16, 2012, 10:41:00 PM
do you ever think before you post
"Plot hasn't been a reason since Gen I" could be taken as "It was a reason in Gen I, but not since."



Also, @video. The male protag is starting to grow on me, just a little. Still definitely not my favorite, not even close, but seeing him more and more is starting to make me tolerate him.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 17, 2012, 03:33:26 AM
yes i was specifically planning to say that if anyone tried to argue my point

plot has not been a reason to play pokemon since gen 1.

Thought so.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on May 17, 2012, 08:30:11 AM
Male protagonist reminds me of Digimon in that video, probably because of the hair now that I finally get to see him move; this makes me like him a lot more, given I was pro-Digimon until Series 4.

Also, Plasma is back, as... Ninjas? Weird, but makes a whole lot more sense than walking around in broad daylight as knights. Maybe Ghetsis' ninja guards from the B/W 1 restarted the team.

Also, is it just me, or does it seem like Bianca is the professor now and the guy in the lab coat might be
1. A recurring side character like Looker or certain Champions.
2. A villain that you don't find out is evil until later.
Because Bianca is the one giving the starters, and that midnight meeting with the professor guy, who has a crazy outfit and a Magneton, doesn't seem like any professor we've met before.

And before you guys say "it's just an anime," I'd like to point out that while this is an exaggerated version, it's still based on events of the game, meaning we can also look forward to that Electric leader who looks like Elesa post-makeover.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 17, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
"Plot hasn't been a reason since Gen I" could be taken as "It was a reason in Gen I, but not since."

that is exactly what i said and it still doesnt mean what you said
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 17, 2012, 12:05:44 PM
that is exactly what i said and it still doesnt mean what you said
Because Gens II-V admittedly had more plot than Gen I. Gen I was basically just getting 8 badges and challenging the Elite Four, and you bump into Team Rocket in the middle. Great games, Red and Blue were, but there really wasn't a plot. The subsequent generations kept the basic "Get badges" thing, but added a little more depth to the villainous teams and their goals, especially since cover legendaries became standard.


But yeah. Hate all you want, but now that I'm getting used to the male protagonist, he isn't so bad. Just accept the fact that he's different and we'll have to live with him and move on. Getting used to him really helps.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 17, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
Okay no. There was a plot in R/B. It wasn't very deep and you had to really dig to find it(like the journal logs on Cinnabar or talking to NPC's like intercourse ing mad), but it was there. Team Rocket was doing some really crazy poop. The entire game has a genetic experiment motif. Many Gen I pokemon are dinosaurish and some, like Voltorb(which isn't a Haunter possessing a intercourse ing Pokeball, its the result of a Pokeball experiment gone haywire) and Porygon are completely artificial. Let's not forget bringing back fossils.

There's a difference between saying "There really wasn't a strong, in your face plot" and "...but there really wasn't a plot".

Saying Gen II had a plot but Gen I didn't is laughable as Gen II's minimalist plot relies on Gen I almost entirely.

None of the Pokemon games have a strong plot. But just because in the subsequent games they threw it in your face, that doesn't mean they have much more depth than Gen I did. It's highly debatable.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 17, 2012, 12:46:24 PM
Gen I was basically just getting 8 badges and challenging the Elite Four, and you bump into Team Rocket in the middle.
yes this is every game thats the point

once you've played it in gen 1 it doesnt intercourse ing matter any more.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 17, 2012, 01:01:29 PM
Okay no. There was a plot in R/B. It wasn't very deep and you had to really dig to find it(like the journal logs on Cinnabar or talking to NPC's like intercourse ing mad), but it was there. Team Rocket was doing some really crazy poop. The entire game has a genetic experiment motif. Many Gen I pokemon are dinosaurish and some, like Voltorb(which isn't a Haunter possessing a intercourse ing Pokeball, its the result of a Pokeball experiment gone haywire) and Porygon are completely artificial. Let's not forget bringing back fossils.

There's a difference between saying "There really wasn't a strong, in your face plot" and "...but there really wasn't a plot".

Saying Gen II had a plot but Gen I didn't is laughable as Gen II's minimalist plot relies on Gen I almost entirely.

None of the Pokemon games have a strong plot. But just because in the subsequent games they threw it in your face, that doesn't mean they have much more depth than Gen I did. It's highly debatable.

Yeah but, the thing is, a lot of the aspects you mentioned of Gen I's "plot" were retained in subsequent gens. (especially the fossils thing; i don't see why you brought that up to defend Gen I). Also, when you have to dig really far, it becomes more opinion and interpretation than a straight plot.

Yeah, I'll openly admit that Gen I had a lot of "experimentation" going in. It's evident in some choice Pokemon. The problem with that is, it doesn't really contribute to the storyline. Remember, when a plot is completely out of your face, it's left up to interpretation and could be seen way differently by different people. If maybe I was erroneously interchanging "plot" and "storyline", then so be it. But I don't think we're quite on the same page.

Also, I don't exactly think Gen II has much more plot than Gen I; I was kind of thinking more III and on. The key thing that stands out with me is, the villainous team had some huge goal that you usually spent the whole game fighting on and off, eventually culminating with some tangent that throws you off your normal badge-obtaining path, which usually occurs around the time of the 7th gym. You'll grab your 7th badge somewhere in all the action, then get through the climax, then battle the 8th gym leader once the crisis is averted, and continue on your way to the Pokemon League.

Gen I had extra stuff going on, but it never seemed to take center stage. Even though you faced Rocket time and time again (Or maybe just three times, if you even count Mt. Moon), obtaining badges always seemed to be the main goal. In gens III-V, (at least in my opinion), once you got to that climactic part in the story, you accept that as the current main goal. You put your effort into finding an undersea cave, climbing to the top of a mountain, or what have you, but then afterwards it's like "Oh right, I have a badge to get!"

At least that's how I felt.

So yeah, the plot in R/B was more deep and left to interpretation, and to be honest, you can't really catch it until you've played through the game more than once. I mean, I didn't get it on my first time (then again, how old was I?) but I caught the plots of the other games.

But we've all played R/B and their remakes several times, so by now we know a lot of stuff about them that weren't so obvious at first glance. I wonder if the same could be true about the other games...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 17, 2012, 01:50:05 PM
Also, I don't exactly think Gen II has much more plot than Gen I; I was kind of thinking more III and on. The key thing that stands out with me is, the villainous team had some huge goal that you usually spent the whole game fighting on and off, eventually culminating with some tangent that throws you off your normal badge-obtaining path, which usually occurs around the time of the 7th gym. You'll grab your 7th badge somewhere in all the action, then get through the climax, then battle the 8th gym leader once the crisis is averted, and continue on your way to the Pokemon League.

so every game has the same plot
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 17, 2012, 02:21:15 PM
Okay no. There was a plot in R/B. It wasn't very deep and you had to really dig to find it(like the journal logs on Cinnabar or talking to NPC's like intercourse ing mad), but it was there. Team Rocket was doing some really crazy poop. The entire game has a genetic experiment motif. Many Gen I pokemon are dinosaurish and some, like Voltorb(which isn't a Haunter possessing a intercourse ing Pokeball, its the result of a Pokeball experiment gone haywire) and Porygon are completely artificial. Let's not forget bringing back fossils.

There's a difference between saying "There really wasn't a strong, in your face plot" and "...but there really wasn't a plot".

Saying Gen II had a plot but Gen I didn't is laughable as Gen II's minimalist plot relies on Gen I almost entirely.

None of the Pokemon games have a strong plot. But just because in the subsequent games they threw it in your face, that doesn't mean they have much more depth than Gen I did. It's highly debatable.

One area of the game doesn't make a plot. That's just some backstory concerning two Pokemon. It's nothing like Metroid Prime where things like that are spread out everywhere in the game and connect together.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 17, 2012, 02:57:12 PM
so every game has the same plot
That is not even remotely close to what I was saying in that paragraph.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on May 17, 2012, 07:11:54 PM
Male protagonist reminds me of Digimon in that video, probably because of the hair now that I finally get to see him move; this makes me like him a lot more, given I was pro-Digimon until Series 4.

Also, Plasma is back, as... Ninjas? Weird, but makes a whole lot more sense than walking around in broad daylight as knights. Maybe Ghetsis' ninja guards from the B/W 1 restarted the team.

Also, is it just me, or does it seem like Bianca is the professor now and the guy in the lab coat might be
1. A recurring side character like Looker or certain Champions.
2. A villain that you don't find out is evil until later.
Because Bianca is the one giving the starters, and that midnight meeting with the professor guy, who has a crazy outfit and a Magneton, doesn't seem like any professor we've met before.

And before you guys say "it's just an anime," I'd like to point out that while this is an exaggerated version, it's still based on events of the game, meaning we can also look forward to that Electric leader who looks like Elesa post-makeover.
1) Team Plasma isn't made of ninjas. Those ninjas are the Shadow Triad, Ghetsis' personal guard who have caused a lot of theories about them. I mean, creepy ninjas? IN MY POKEMON? Also, Team Plasma is still the same except a lot more evil and back in black.

2) The new professor is the professor of the sequel. It just so happens that Bianca is Prof. Juniper's assistant and thus was requested to give the two their Pokemon.

3) That black-haired woman is still Elesa. She just dyed her hair black.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 17, 2012, 08:10:13 PM
One area of the game doesn't make a plot. That's just some backstory concerning two Pokemon. It's nothing like Metroid Prime where things like that are spread out everywhere in the game and connect together.

Its more than just "backstory". You directly put a stop to any further Team Rocket activity. Giovanni was planning on taking over the world with all the fruits of Rocket's research. The Mewtwo thing was just one little piece of it. You get to see the kind of things that Team Rocket was up to. The game is giving you reasons to dislike Team Rocket. That's...sort of relevant. I think you could agree that games try to give you justification for stopping bad guys, right?

I agree that is nothing close to the scale that Prime had but one thing I've said from the start is that the plot is incredibly minimalist. You had to use your imagination.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 18, 2012, 11:59:30 AM
I agree that is nothing close to the scale that Prime had but one thing I've said from the start is that the plot is incredibly minimalist. You had to use your imagination.
Not saying that is or isn't the case here, but that same thing could be said for a LOT of games that are said to have little or no plot.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 18, 2012, 02:07:02 PM
stop getting off topic

if you play pokemon for plot you have poop taste in everything
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 19, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
stop getting off topic

if you play pokemon for plot you have poop taste in everything

i'm pretty sure here no one plays it for the plot
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 19, 2012, 11:00:49 AM
if that were true no one would be arguing with us
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 19, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
No one plays it for the plot, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.



I was making a completely unrelated purchase at GameStop today, and the cashier asked me if I wanted to preorder B2/W2. Already. What if Nintendo (or GF, if it's their doing) decides to bring back the pre-order bonus like we had through all of Gen IV? Silly GameStop.
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Post by: zephilicious on May 19, 2012, 07:24:36 PM
let me rephrase.

if no one played for the plot no one would play black and white 2 because that is literally the only new thing in the game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 19, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
let me rephrase.

if no one played for the plot no one would play black and white 2 because that is literally the only new thing in the game.
I'm not even going to entertain this because I'm laughing too hard. You really need to pay attention.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 19, 2012, 09:40:00 PM
either we have different definitions of plot (read: your definition is wrong) or you're just trying to back out now that you've realized pokemon has no plot
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Mona on May 20, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
let me rephrase.

if no one played for the plot no one would play black and white 2 because that is literally the only new thing in the game.

The new Gym leaders and the Pokemon World Tournament are new things. Those two things alone are enough to get me to buy the game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 20, 2012, 02:00:10 PM
I'll admit I'm intrigued by the World Tournament.

Is it worth 35-40 bucks? Probably not.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 21, 2012, 01:10:17 PM
The new Gym leaders and the Pokemon World Tournament are new things. Those two things alone are enough to get me to buy the game.
Pretty much. We've seen enough new gym leaders to know that THIS IS NEW. They're not reusing all the gyms and such; things are gonna be different.

I'll admit I'm intrigued by the World Tournament.

Is it worth 35-40 bucks? Probably not.
Nyeh. I have some extra cash right now so the price tag isn't an issue for me.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 21, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
new gym leaders is plot
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 21, 2012, 04:48:39 PM
new gym leaders is plot
By now it's safe to assume you don't know the definition of that word.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 21, 2012, 05:12:59 PM
since you're a dumbass, I'll help you out a bit here
"Plot is a literary term defined as the events that makes up the story"

what the intercourse  is the story of pokemon if not some kid's quest to collect 8 badges by defeating 8 gym leaders
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 21, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
Okay, this isn't funny anymore. You two disagree, you won't ever agree, and this pointless. Both of you have good points, and you're both right.*

[spoiler=*]Though zeph is obviously too thickheaded to accept that his opinions aren't fact, so for you zeph, you're right and Kayo's wrong.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 21, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
what is or is not plot is not an opinion
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 21, 2012, 06:05:19 PM
what is or is not plot is not an opinion

But what you value in it is. You don't value anything in Pokemon's plot, so they're all the same, while Kayo values things like the characters and the evil team's plot.

But either way, you're a very intelligent person. Too intelligent, in fact. Like all smart people, you have an enormous ego that blinds you to faults in your reasoning. You can't help it and you'll never admit it, but it's true.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 21, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
that has not been his argument for the last couple of pages
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 22, 2012, 12:29:48 PM
that has not been his argument for the last couple of pages
What I've been saying is that Pokemon's Gens II-V have not been completely devoid of any plot whatsoever.

That's an observable fact; no matter how thickheaded you are, that's still a fact, not opinion. It fits even YOUR definition of "plot". Which, might I add, contradicted your entire point anyway.

But what you value in it is. You don't value anything in Pokemon's plot, so they're all the same, while Kayo values things like the characters and the evil team's plot.
Call me a fanboy if you want, but that's exactly what I do. And you know what? Having those values just makes the entire series so much more fun to play. You guys who are arguing about it not having a plot or some other bullpoop like that just suck the fun out of it. They're video games, people. They're supposed to be entertaining. Just shut up and enjoy them; Pokemon games have always been fun, and no matter how many new Pokemon, regions, or villainous teams they add, that's not gonna change.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on May 22, 2012, 03:20:44 PM
Gen 1 had almost no plot, but the remakes did extend it a bit.

Gen 2 used some tools in the previous gen to extend the lack of plot, and now its plot is much better.

Gen 3 falls between the previous two gens, but the third version helped a little more.

Gen 4 started to pick things up, which were then developed further in its third version.

Gen 5 has more plot, and thus it will have even more in the sequels.
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Post by: Kayo on May 22, 2012, 04:46:49 PM
Gen 1 had almost no plot, but the remakes did extend it a bit.
Besides the "Get badges/catchemall", that's about it.

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Gen 2 used some tools in the previous gen to extend the lack of plot, and now its plot is much better.
Kind of; I didn't feel a plot really caught on until Gen III.

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Gen 3 falls between the previous two gens, but the third version helped a little more.
Emerald had a better plot, but R/S were fine. It just makes so much more sense in Emerald, since you have both villainous teams going at each other and you, instead of one being on your side and NOT really seeking anything.

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Gen 4 started to pick things up, which were then developed further in its third version.
I think Gen IV was a step backward from Gen III in terms of plot.

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Gen 5 has more plot, and thus it will have even more in the sequels.
I disagree, it didn't really have much more plot than any of its predecessors. I do strongly feel that the sequel will add a whole lot.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on May 22, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
I think Gen IV was a step backward from Gen III in terms of plot.

I disagree, [Gen V] didn't really have much more plot than any of its predecessors. I do strongly feel that the sequel will add a whole lot.

lol wut

IV definitely had more of a plot than III; you're just too nostalgia'd over III.

And you have to be kidding if you think V didn't have more story than the previous games. The others didn't even come close.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 22, 2012, 08:09:43 PM
What I've been saying is that Pokemon's Gens II-V have not been completely devoid of any plot whatsoever.

That's an observable fact; no matter how thickheaded you are, that's still a fact, not opinion. It fits even YOUR definition of "plot". Which, might I add, contradicted your entire point anyway.
nope thats never been my point. way to prove you're an idiot again.

but i'll reiterate again since helping idiots out makes me feel better about myself.

I've made exactly one point: PLOT IS NOT THE REASON TO PLAY POKEMON
I have supported said point with several claims:
1. every darn game has the same intercourse ing plot. therefore only the first one is worth playing for the plot.
2. the plot was never good in the first place
3. the are a intercourse ton of legitimate fun reasons to play new pokemon games that are not plot. (none of these things will change in b/w2, therefore games not worth playing etc)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: JrDude on May 22, 2012, 10:21:35 PM
There is no more reason to play B2/W2 as there was a reason to play G/S.
Everything is the same as every other game, except the Pokémon you catch, the gym leaders, trainers, E4, and plot. But it is basically the same game.
If that's what you like, which is 99% of Pokémon playing people, then this game is fine, but if you don't like that, then you'll go back to playing your Red version as you have never gotten another since then since there's no point in your opinion.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on May 22, 2012, 11:52:00 PM
There is no more reason to play B2/W2 as there was a reason to play G/S.

uh no everyone wanted G/S because we were getting new Pokemon

its all any of us cared about as kids. G/S sold less than the originals anyway.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 23, 2012, 10:03:21 AM
Gen 2 added 100 new pokemon, 2 new types, tons of new moves, breeding, hold items, special defense, etc.

all of the plot and exploration is a bonus. A reson to start playing perhaps, but not a reason to keep playing. That is what b/w2 lack.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 23, 2012, 05:44:24 PM
lol wut

IV definitely had more of a plot than III; you're just too nostalgia'd over III.

And you have to be kidding if you think V didn't have more story than the previous games. The others didn't even come close.
That's your opinion. I didn't think D/P was as good as it could have been in terms of plot, especially because the plots are absolutely IDENTICAL regardless of which game you're playing. Diamond and Pearl were identical except for the name of the Pokemon you caught at Spear Pillar.

I stand corrected about Gen V; my current opinion of it is different because it seems to have much less replay value than any of the past games (and for that reason I honestly haven't picked it up in months), but I do remember absolutely loving it as I played through it. It definitely felt a lot better pre-e4 than past games in terms of plot. So yeah, sorry about that.

nope thats never been my point. way to prove you're an idiot again.

but i'll reiterate again since helping idiots out makes me feel better about myself.

I've made exactly one point: PLOT IS NOT THE REASON TO PLAY POKEMON
I have supported said point with several claims:
1. every darn game has the same intercourse ing plot. therefore only the first one is worth playing for the plot.
2. the plot was never good in the first place
3. the are a intercourse ton of legitimate fun reasons to play new pokemon games that are not plot. (none of these things will change in b/w2, therefore games not worth playing etc)
I'm disregarding everything you say that is just your opinion presented as fact. But let's take a look at your three "claims" here.
I agree with you on your "point", so I honestly don't see why you're attacking me for that, lol.
1. That's not even true, since Gens III-V (and somewhat II) added a new layer to the GET BADGES "plot". If all the games have "the same intercourse ing plot" than just playing any given one of the Gens would be worth it. Not just Gen I, even though you're riding its cock a whole lot.
2. I'm just laughing at your opinion here. That's right, I said opinion.
3. If you honestly believe that, that just proves to me and everyone else that you have not been paying attention to anything at all in the Pokemon world since 1998.
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Post by: Neerb on May 23, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
That's your opinion. I didn't think D/P was as good as it could have been in terms of plot, especially because the plots are absolutely IDENTICAL regardless of which game you're playing. Diamond and Pearl were identical except for the name of the Pokemon you caught at Spear Pillar.

What? I'm not saying it had more plots, as in multiple stories, nor am I saying it had a better plot, which is where that "opinion" nonsense would come in; I'm saying plain and simple that if you compared Diamond to Ruby, Pearl to Sapphire, or Platinum to Emerald, there is more plot, a much greater sense of story, of characters and actions that devlop in a setting, in IV than there is in III. V>IV>III>II>I; they make the plot thicker every time. If IV isn't your favorite plot, good for you, but from a pure technical standpoint on fiction there is a closer semblance of a real modern video game story in IV than in III.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 23, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
What? I'm not saying it had more plots, as in multiple stories, nor am I saying it had a better plot, which is where that "opinion" nonsense would come in; I'm saying plain and simple that if you compared Diamond to Ruby, Pearl to Sapphire, or Platinum to Emerald, there is more plot, a much greater sense of story, of characters and actions that devlop in a setting, in IV than there is in III. V>IV>III>II>I; they make the plot thicker every time. If IV isn't your favorite plot, good for you, but from a pure technical standpoint on fiction there is a closer semblance of a real modern video game story in IV than in III.
No, it's still your opinion. I don't think IV had any more plot than III. If anything, they were about even.

That may be my opinion too. Big whoop. But seriously, how do you think it had more plot?
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Post by: zephilicious on May 23, 2012, 07:00:26 PM
I agree with you on your "point", so I honestly don't see why you're attacking me for that, lol.
1. That's not even true, since Gens III-V (and somewhat II) added a new layer to the GET BADGES "plot". If all the games have "the same intercourse ing plot" than just playing any given one of the Gens would be worth it. Not just Gen I, even though you're riding its cock a whole lot.
2. I'm just laughing at your opinion here. That's right, I said opinion.
3. If you honestly believe that, that just proves to me and everyone else that you have not been paying attention to anything at all in the Pokemon world since 1998.

you obviously dont agree because you havent come up with anything other than plot to justify your impending purchase

i am assuming we're all over 12 (a dangerous assumption to be sure) and played gen 1 first, obviously the same point can be made of any game, i should not have to spell that out.

and once again please tell me something that is not plot that is changing in b/w2. no one has been able to do so yet.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 23, 2012, 07:18:11 PM
you obviously dont agree because you havent come up with anything other than plot to justify your impending purchase

i am assuming we're all over 12 (a dangerous assumption to be sure) and played gen 1 first, obviously the same point can be made of any game, i should not have to spell that out.
Red version was the first one I played, but the first game I finished was Crystal, and the first one I finished by myself was Sapphire. I then proceeded to play them all, well before Gen IV came out. I enjoyed every single one of them. None of them made me feel like "Oh, I didn't need to play this game. I've already played Pokemon."
 
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and once again please tell me something that is not plot that is changing in b/w2. no one has been able to do so yet.
The starting town.



In all seriousness, I could go into all the stuff they've added when they made new games in the same generation that reused the newest region (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, etc.), but I don't feel like doing all that typing. The thing is, we usually don't start getting that info to closer to the japanese release. At this stage they give us new character designs and new Pokemon formes, and stuff of that nature. That's what we've gotten so far, too. But yeah, I did answer your "question."
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 23, 2012, 07:24:08 PM
"Oh, I didn't need to play this game. I've already played Pokemon."
This has never been my point either. I play and intercourse ing love the hell of of every new pokemon generation. because they bring something new to the table. something other than plot.

and yes every point i've made applies to the extra games every generation. that was the entire point of the argument. b/w2 are the extra third game this generation.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on May 23, 2012, 07:33:29 PM
The term "agree to disagree" comes to mind.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on May 23, 2012, 07:42:17 PM
No, it's still your opinion. I don't think IV had any more plot than III. If anything, they were about even.

That may be my opinion too. Big whoop. But seriously, how do you think it had more plot?

Well, the villains in IV appear more often, their plan is both more complex and deeper in purpose, the professor is far more active in the plot, the rival is more heavily involved in the story rather than just showing up to see how you're doing, Platinum features the recurring character of Looker while Emerald's story lacks any unique (non-villain/league/rival/professor) really recurring characters, Barry goes through real character development while Wally just stops being sickly and learns to fight, etc.

All III has that IV doesn't plot-wise is meeting your father and having two teams instead of one, but that doesn't make the story any deeper than what IV has too offer.
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Post by: Kayo on May 23, 2012, 09:26:52 PM
Well, the villains in IV appear more often, their plan is both more complex and deeper in purpose, the professor is far more active in the plot, the rival is more heavily involved in the story rather than just showing up to see how you're doing, Platinum features the recurring character of Looker while Emerald's story lacks any unique (non-villain/league/rival/professor) really recurring characters, Barry goes through real character development while Wally just stops being sickly and learns to fight, etc.

All III has that IV doesn't plot-wise is meeting your father and having two teams instead of one, but that doesn't make the story any deeper than what IV has too offer.
I disagree, I think the villians in III appear often enough, making appearances in Rustboro City, Rusturf Tunnel, Slateport City, Mt. Chimney, Meteor Falls, Weather Institute, Route 121, Lilycove City, Hideout, Mt. Pyre, and Seafloor Cavern. They were all over the place. Also, I didn't find Barry's character development to be any more "real" than Wally's.

Maybe they're evenly matched. Also, I'd like to point out that the plot in R/S wasn't identical in both games. I mean, they weren't way different, but D/P were LITERALLY identical, like I said, except for the name of the Pokemon you battle at Spear Pillar.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on May 23, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Also, I'd like to point out that the plot in R/S wasn't identical in both games. I mean, they weren't way different, but D/P were LITERALLY identical, like I said, except for the name of the Pokemon you battle at Spear Pillar.

you're not supposed to play both games this is irrelevant
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on May 23, 2012, 10:20:56 PM
you're not supposed to play both games this is irrelevant
No, but there should at least be a greater difference between the two, I think.

Also
[spoiler=Landorus's alt form](http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ef/645Landorus-Reijuu.png)[/spoiler]

....It's so cute. D:
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 21, 2012, 09:05:09 AM
Serebii has TONS of HUGE spoilers, including:

Who that new professor-looking guy is:
[spoiler]Achroma, who apparently has something to to with Plasma as you must fight him late in the game.[/spoiler]

The Champion:
[spoiler]Iris, White Version's old Dragon leader and the girl from the current anime[/spoiler]

The World Tournament:
[spoiler]It's where the Freezer Containers used to be, it's possibly part of the story, has the move relearner/deleter, grants Battle Points like the Subway[/spoiler]

Returning Plasma characters:
[spoiler]Ghetsis and the Shadow Triad can be fought, N may give you his Zorua and Siglyph[/spoiler]

Your Rival's default name:
[spoiler]Hugh[/spoiler]

and more!

Also... after you beat the game, you can replay it on Normal, Assist (easy), or Challenge (hard). DIFFICULTY SETTINGS, GUYS.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 21, 2012, 09:53:03 AM
Difficulty settings? In MY Pokemon? Well, completing it on Hard mode will certainly be fun.

Also, definitely changing my rival's name.

EDIT: Serebii says Move Tutors exist in B2W2, as I figured. Whoo!
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 21, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
This is a first for a Pokemon game to have difficulty settings. I think that seals the deal of my already sealed deal to buy the game.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 21, 2012, 11:09:26 AM
This is a first for a Pokemon game to have difficulty settings. I think that seals the deal of my already sealed deal to buy the game.

Congratulations, your seal has evolved into a dealgong.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 21, 2012, 11:11:02 AM
Congratulations, your seal has evolved into a dealgong.
Why
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on June 21, 2012, 08:16:22 PM
stealth rock returns to prominence as a move tutor move

god darn gamefreak
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on June 21, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
stealth rock returns to prominence as a move tutor move

god darn gamefreak
Who cares? There's a HARD MODE

[spoiler]Yes, I know "hard" will mean "almost not piss-easy.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on June 21, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
and in standard nintendo fashion its not unlocked until you beat the game.

what a wonderful way to milk extra playtime out of a series with no replay value whatsoever
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on June 22, 2012, 11:56:40 AM
stealth rock returns to prominence as a move tutor move

god darn gamefreak

its like they're autistic

oh wait
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 22, 2012, 09:10:59 PM
stealth rock returns to prominence as a move tutor move

god darn gamefreak
ARE YOU




FUCKING





KIDDING ME
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 23, 2012, 01:14:30 AM
get ready to change your pants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzhN9TXd74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snSE1UKfp40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xULk_CK-hQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzoG6l8TiY
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 23, 2012, 09:55:42 AM
ARE YOU




FUCKING





KIDDING ME
Doesn't mean it's forced on you, I'd say.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on June 23, 2012, 11:18:54 AM
Doesn't mean it's forced on you, I'd say.
yes, yes it does

whether or not you use it, stealth rock is the most broken overcentralized move on the game. at any level beyond 'omg i beat another gym leader' its effect is unavoidable.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 23, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
yes, yes it does

whether or not you use it, stealth rock is the most broken overcentralized move on the game. at any level beyond 'omg i beat another gym leader' its effect is unavoidable.
Let me reiterate.

Doesn't mean it's forced on you, I'd say.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on June 23, 2012, 12:28:41 PM
have fun with your kiddy game
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 23, 2012, 02:07:01 PM
Let me reiterate.

Doesn't mean it's forced on you, I'd say.
It means I can't really play competitively anymore because everything has access to both it and new Gen V egg moves/abilities now. Plus new pokemon (like Ferrothorn, etc) will be able to easily carry the move. Yeah, it's inevitable now. And if you disagree, you must still be playing Gen III.

get ready to change your pants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzhN9TXd74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snSE1UKfp40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xULk_CK-hQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzoG6l8TiY

I had to change my pants while listening, then had to change them again after calculating in my mind how awesome this is (i.e. what we'll be doing while those tracks play). Just hope it's not a once-per-game deal (I assume it won't be.)

So much yes.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on June 23, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
jizz
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 25, 2012, 12:45:02 PM
So, apparently Serebii has revealed who you will get to fight in the World Tournament...

EVERYONE.

Every Unova gym leader from both Black/White and Black/White 2, every Kanto gym leader (except koga since he became an elite in 2nd gen), every Johto gym leader, every Hoenn gym leader, every Sinnoh gym leader, and every champion before B/W 2, which includes: Alder, Cynthia, Wallace, Steven, Lance, Blue, and RED.

Black 2 has just jumped to my absolute most wanted game this year.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 25, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
Never caught a shiny before?

http://serebii.net/itemdex/shiningcharm.shtml

New key item. Increases chances of finding/breeding a Shiny Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 25, 2012, 01:09:57 PM
Location: Nature Sanctuary

Method:
After you have seen all the Pokémon in the Unova Dex, you will receive a License. This item, when shown to the airport attendant in Mistralton City, takes you to the Nature Sanctuary, a place filled with wild Pokémon. However, in the middle of this sanctuary is the rare Shiny Haxorus.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 25, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
So, apparently Serebii has revealed who you will get to fight in the World Tournament...

EVERYONE.

Every Unova gym leader from both Black/White and Black/White 2, every Kanto gym leader (except koga since he became an elite in 2nd gen), every Johto gym leader, every Hoenn gym leader, every Sinnoh gym leader, and every champion before B/W 2, which includes: Alder, Cynthia, Wallace, Steven, Lance, Blue, and RED.

Black 2 has just jumped to my absolute most wanted game this year.
...That you can't use to level up your Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 25, 2012, 01:14:15 PM
#443 Gible

Location: Sangi Town

Method:
After defeating Banjirou in Black City or White Forest's main attraction, Banjirou will visit Alder and while there, will give you a special prize, a Gible. This Gible is unique in that it is Shiny
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 25, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
Striaton City - Cilan, Chili &Cress

Location: Striaton Town
Rebattle? Yes

In Striaton City, the former Gym Leaders, Cilan, Chili and Cress, will each offer you to join them in battle against the other two. This battle is a standard MultiBattle and all the other trainers have three Pokémon. These battles can be done daily.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 25, 2012, 07:23:46 PM
Shinies are WAY too much easier to get now, and I really, REALLY hate it. They're losing their value.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on June 25, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
hackers already took care of that for you
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 25, 2012, 07:49:05 PM
hackers already took care of that for you
really not prevalent enough to make a difference. I can still hold my five self-obtained shinies like trophies, with the stories behind them and whatnot.

Now that you can increase the probability eightfold it really isn't a big deal. I hate it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on June 25, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
Shinies are WAY too much easier to get now, and I really, REALLY hate it. They're losing their value.

It really isn't that big of a deal.

If anything, more kids can get shinies.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 25, 2012, 10:36:15 PM
Finding shinies legit is nice (I'm proud of my one and only shiny, Wingull, even if it is a Pokemon I don't care for), but for me it's mostly about the colors; Shiny Haxorus looks freaking awesome (my favorite this gen along with shiny Victini and Chandelure), and if they're handing them out for free, I'll be first in line so I can slap him on to my team.

Besides, it's really just about the personal success; if they started handing out green Wingulls over wi-fi, I wouldn't feel any worse about my legit wild one, because I know I found it by myself.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on June 26, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
default haxorus has such a terrible palette, shiny is pretty much necessary
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 26, 2012, 09:03:07 PM
The Shiny Gible I mentioned - depending on which game you have, you can get a shiny Dratini instead.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: ThePowerOfOne on June 26, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
The Shiny Gible I mentioned - depending on which game you have, you can get a shiny Dratini instead.
Definitely getting the Dratini. Pink Dratini > Slightly darker Gible.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 27, 2012, 10:32:07 AM
The Shiny Gible I mentioned - depending on which game you have, you can get a shiny Dratini instead.
And suddenly, the shiny Dratini I caught with pure luck in the FireRed safari zone loses its face value.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 27, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
Green Dragonite looks terrible and Slightly Darker Garchomp is insulting to shinies. No big deal.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 27, 2012, 10:55:23 AM
Green Dragonite looks terrible and Slightly Darker Garchomp is insulting to shinies. No big deal.
Shiny Dragonite looked better in Gen III IMO, where the green was darker.

And that's why I'm never migrating my Dragonite.
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Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 27, 2012, 11:50:08 AM
It was always kind of hard for me to distinguish Shiny Gibles/Gabites/Garchomp in the GTS.
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Post by: Kayo on June 27, 2012, 01:30:31 PM
At this point I'd like to say that the new Unova regional Pokedex is the most horribly ordered Regional Dex in the entire franchise.

Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus are #198-200, and the first three Muskateers are #225-228. In between and following are tons of regular Pokemon. (Like Jigglypuff)

Pseudo-Legendaries have traditionally appeared directly before the legendaries (Except for Gen IV). That's still the case, but it's not Hydreigon.
[spoiler]It's Tyranitar.[/spoiler]

If you take out all the Gen I-IV Pokemon, even the Unova pokemon are all out of order. Larvesta is near the beginning of the dex, and Throh and Sawk are near the end.

I understand that it MAY reflect the new path you take through Unova, and this isn't normally something to get mad about... but it's just a giant mess.

This is also the first Regional Dex that includes Pokemon from earlier gens... but not Geodude or even Pikachu. R.I.P childhood
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Post by: Zero on June 27, 2012, 01:43:45 PM
(http://blogdailyherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/crying-pokemon.gif)
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 27, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
At least ZUBAT and RATATTA are back...
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Zero on June 27, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
At least ZUBAT and RATATTA are back...

Crobat is fine

Raticate is not
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 27, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
Crobat is fine

Raticate is not
This exactly.


I honestly can't believe they still left out Pikachu, even when A MAN IN CASTELIA CITY HAS ONE.
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Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 27, 2012, 05:53:22 PM
At this point I'd like to say that the new Unova regional Pokedex is the most horribly ordered Regional Dex in the entire franchise.

Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus are #198-200, and the first three Muskateers are #225-228. In between and following are tons of regular Pokemon. (Like Jigglypuff)

Pseudo-Legendaries have traditionally appeared directly before the legendaries (Except for Gen IV). That's still the case, but it's not Hydreigon.
[spoiler]It's Tyranitar.[/spoiler]

If you take out all the Gen I-IV Pokemon, even the Unova pokemon are all out of order. Larvesta is near the beginning of the dex, and Throh and Sawk are near the end.

I understand that it MAY reflect the new path you take through Unova, and this isn't normally something to get mad about... but it's just a giant mess.

This is also the first Regional Dex that includes Pokemon from earlier gens... but not Geodude or even Pikachu. R.I.P childhood
To be fair, previous regions had different places for their native Pokemon on the Dex if there were old ones mixed up with the rest.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 27, 2012, 06:32:31 PM
To be fair, previous regions had different places for their native Pokemon on the Dex if there were old ones mixed up with the rest.
I think that only happened in Gen II.
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Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 27, 2012, 06:48:40 PM
I think that only happened in Gen II.
Gen III and Gen IV received that treatment as well.

But who cares, really? Whatever number they get in the regional dex, it'll be fixed with the National Dex, anyway.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 27, 2012, 07:04:38 PM
Gen III and Gen IV received that treatment as well.

But who cares, really? Whatever number they get in the regional dex, it'll be fixed with the National Dex, anyway.
Gen III didn't at all, every single Pokemon was in the exact same order. The only difference in Gen IV is that (in Platinum), Uxie, Dialga and co. were moved in front of the new evos. Other than that, same order.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Neerb on June 28, 2012, 10:49:03 AM
OFFICIAL NORTH AMERICAN RELEASE DATE:

Sunday, October 7th, 2012.

Also, "Dream Radar," the downloadable 3DS game similar to Face Raiders, will be available on the eShop the same day. The Dream Radar lets you catch several Pokemon with their Dream World abilities and send them straight to your B/W 2 game, including the Sacred Beast forms of the genie trio and all five 4th gen cover legendaries, based on which is currently inserted into the 3DS (put Diamond in to catch DW Dialga, put HeartGold in to catch DW Ho-oh, etc.).


Edit: Just a random cool thing: in B/W 2, there are certain places you can find certain Pokemon with their DW abilities. One particularly nice-sounding one is in Professor Fennel's new lab in Castelia, where an employee will give you a DW Eevee.
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Post by: Kayo on June 28, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
OFFICIAL NORTH AMERICAN RELEASE DATE:

Sunday, October 7th, 2012.

Also, "Dream Radar," the downloadable 3DS game similar to Face Raiders, will be available on the eShop the same day. The Dream Radar lets you catch several Pokemon with their Dream World abilities and send them straight to your B/W 2 game, including the Sacred Beast forms of the genie trio and all five 4th gen cover legendaries, based on which is currently inserted into the 3DS (put Diamond in to catch DW Dialga, put HeartGold in to catch DW Ho-oh, etc.).


Edit: Just a random cool thing: in B/W 2, there are certain places you can find certain Pokemon with their DW abilities. One particularly nice-sounding one is in Professor Fennel's new lab in Castelia, where an employee will give you a DW Eevee.
Awesome date, I was hoping it would be before the holiday season.

Also, on that last note. I heard you can catch a DW Minccino somwehere.
Cinccino's DW ability is Skill Link. It learns all the good (25 BP) multi-hit moves like Bullet Seed, Rock Blast, and Sweep Slap. Which will all do 125 damage. And then you take into account Cinccino's base 115 Speed.

Cinccino just became good.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: DededeCloneChris on June 28, 2012, 02:46:22 PM
Oh, and there's a rumor that you can get a Ditto with its Imposter ability in-game as well.

Well, how lucky we got a free Arceus!
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 28, 2012, 03:44:53 PM
Oh, and there's a rumor that you can get a Ditto with its Imposter ability in-game as well.

Well, how lucky we got a free Arceus!
On that last part: wait what
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 28, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
i'm not sure where but i remember reading

you can now change Black City/White Forest in your own game. you have access to both.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on June 28, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
"A new feature added within Black 2 & White 2 is the ability to switch between the different areas. To do this, you need to gain the special keys from a friend with the other game. Earning these keys are relatively simple. Once you have beaten Area 5 of the Black Skyscraper or White Tree Hollow, you will be congratulated and given the key to Black City or White Forest. There, you can send it over to other games using the Unova Link feature"
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Post by: The Riddler on June 28, 2012, 05:41:00 PM
Castelia City - Royal Unova

Location: Castelia City

In Castelia City, after you have defeated the Elite Four, you will now have access to the special ferry; the Royal Unova on the Cruise Dock. Each evening, you can go on the Royal Unova and battle the various trainers on the boat. After defeating the trainers, you will receive an item based upon your success



Castelia City - GameFreak Battles

Location: Castelia City

After defeating the game, you will be able to battle various people within GameFreak. These trainers have got solid, strong teams that can cause some serious damage and are among the highest levelled in the game. They can rebattled daily
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Post by: The Riddler on June 28, 2012, 05:58:32 PM
For anyone excited about hard mode

Features:
Challenge Mode is essentially the "Hard" setting of the game. Within the Challenge Mode, the levels of Trainer's Pokémon will be higher, starting at one level higher and reaching 5 levels higher at the end. In addition to that, the AI of the opponents will be higher.

In addition to this, the Gym Leaders and Elite Four will have an extra Pokémon within their squads, and their other Pokémon shall have different movesets and hold items.


It's only harder by 1-5 levels.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on June 28, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
For anyone excited about hard mode

Features:
Challenge Mode is essentially the "Hard" setting of the game. Within the Challenge Mode, the levels of Trainer's Pokémon will be higher, starting at one level higher and reaching 5 levels higher at the end. In addition to that, the AI of the opponents will be higher.

In addition to this, the Gym Leaders and Elite Four will have an extra Pokémon within their squads, and their other Pokémon shall have different movesets and hold items.


It's only harder by 1-5 levels.
And you have to what, start a new file after beating the game to do that? Not worth it, I don't think.

But I like the Black City/White Forest thing.
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Post by: Neerb on July 02, 2012, 12:05:35 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/02/special-prize-announced-for-pokemon-world-championship (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/02/special-prize-announced-for-pokemon-world-championship)

So, the World Tournament isn't just the best trainers from the Pokemon world... it's the best trainers from the REAL world too. At the Pokemon World Championship this year, several of the top competitors will be chosen to have trainer sprites based on them and exact copies of their teams available on Nintendo Wi-fi so that you can face them in B/W 2's World Tournament.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: zephilicious on July 02, 2012, 12:29:48 PM
and they'll still be easy as intercourse

its not the teams that win tournaments
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on July 13, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
http://sprites.pokecheck.org/?trainers (http://sprites.pokecheck.org/?trainers)

Link to all  the animated trainer sprites from B2/W2 if you want.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on July 13, 2012, 09:18:02 PM
http://sprites.pokecheck.org/?trainers (http://sprites.pokecheck.org/?trainers)

Link to all  the animated trainer sprites from B2/W2 if you want.
OH MY GOD, I didn't know they were all animated so smoothly. I love it!

Just in case you don't want to know who all is battleable that we've met before, a spoilertag.
[spoiler]I noticed all the sprites for the Johto/Kanto leaders are basically the same motions as in HGSS, just a lot smoother.[/spoiler]

This just made me more excited for B2W2
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Post by: The Riddler on July 13, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
dunno if anyone noticed

this is a trainer sprite

[spoiler](http://sprites.pokecheck.org/t/186.gif)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Nayrman on July 13, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
Yeah, I love the sprites in this.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on July 13, 2012, 09:29:58 PM
dunno if anyone noticed

this is a trainer sprite

[spoiler](http://sprites.pokecheck.org/t/186.gif)[/spoiler]
I'm more concerned about the one to its left... Is that... [spoiler]Alder's final form? idklol

Also the weird floaty brown robotic thing and the floating girl next to it. I'm ... confused.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on July 13, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
I'm more concerned about the one to its left... Is that... [spoiler]Alder's final form? idklol

Also the weird floaty brown robotic thing and the floating girl next to it. I'm ... confused.[/spoiler]
that's the dude from black city/white forest.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on July 13, 2012, 09:32:11 PM
that's the dude from black city/white forest.
First one I mentioned? Must be like, a son or something.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on July 13, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Banjirou
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on July 13, 2012, 09:46:46 PM
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Banjirou
Close enough. I had no idea his grandfather was... well, old enough to be a grandfather.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: The Riddler on July 13, 2012, 09:53:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OjxgRG5zcc
15:57

Pokewood is awesome.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on July 13, 2012, 09:57:02 PM
i swear this game duo looks like way too much fun. Total step-up from B/W in terms of replay value to the absolute highest degree.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: ThePowerOfOne on July 14, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
Still have yet to finish Black. Finally started playing again after getting bored when I got to whatever city where you get the 6th badge. (the city names sucked so hard this gen I never felt the need to remember them)

I'll be getting Black 2 when it comes out though; seems a bit more interesting and I like the extras.
Title: Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 announced for DS!
Post by: Kayo on July 14, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
Still have yet to finish Black. Finally started playing again after getting bored when I got to whatever city where you get the 6th badge. (the city names sucked so hard this gen I never felt the need to remember them)

I'll be getting Black 2 when it comes out though; seems a bit more interesting and I like the extras.
The airport city? I think they're actually making use of that airport now, because according to Serebii's Pokearth, a new city on the other side of the map is said to have "access to" it, and they're not even connected in any way.