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Generally Speaking => Serious Discussion => Topic started by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 10:19:54 PM

Title: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Allegretto on June 12, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
So, how tolerant are you?

And are you racist about anything? Pretty basic topic

I am very racist, I go off of my personal experiences since experience is the best teacher.

And I am tolerant about very little things.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: tibar21 on June 12, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
nah i'm not racist or anything. i'm actually a very open minded person. i don't got a thing against anyone. this world could sure use a poopload of tolerance right now.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 10:43:19 PM
I don't care what race a person is, as long as they don't get too proud about where they come from. For example, I know a lot of really nice Russian people. But there is this one Russian guy I know who goes around acting like Russia is a halfway decent place, and he's an poop hole.

As for your tolerance, I don't mind that people exist with different ideas as long as they stay away from me.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: JrDude on June 13, 2010, 12:45:18 AM
I feel like I'm the least racist being ever, I know I'm not, but I feel like it (possibly because part of my family is extremely racist)...
I am jokingly racist all the time, but I try not to think racist things or something. I don't like the stereotype' black person personality though, you know the one people assume most black people are. I know plenty of black people who don't act like that and plenty of non-black people who act like that too.
Everyone is racist though. As long as you label someone as a race, you are racist, until everyone is not considered a race to your eyes, you are racist. There are kids who are not racist, but once they realize "oshi, he's brown and I'm peach," then they're racist.

I'm also very tolerant.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 07:30:43 AM
I hate racism.and let me tell you why...I want to date outside my race but do to all of the older parents who have issues with me being black people look at me like I'm the flow or something
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Allegretto on June 13, 2010, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 07:30:43 AM
I hate racism.and let me tell you why...I want to date outside my race but do to all of the older parents who have issues with me being black people look at me like I'm the flow or something
Most non Caucasians hate racism.

Unless they themselves are very racist.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Jayat on June 13, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
No, I'm not racist at all. I don't agree with the stereotyping of Certain backgrounds because there over thinking the an entire race
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Kayo on June 13, 2010, 03:26:05 PM
I was raised in a racist/homophobic family. I have no problem with people of other races unless they're stereotypical.

I hate black people who call each other "nigga" all the time, and make racist comments toward white people. THAT, I can't stand one bit.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Keeta on June 13, 2010, 08:45:10 PM
... lol

of course everybody has some prejudice, but we live in a society where it does waaaaay more harm than good.

Personally, I repress any prejudices I may have, and do my best to analyze people for who they are as a person, instead of basing my perception of them off of a convenient image.

It's all part of being mature.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 15, 2010, 06:41:55 PM
I make tons of racist jokes, but I don't care what race someone is. Some people are nice, some are poop holes. It's that way for every race.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 12, 2010, 10:43:19 PM
But there is this one Russian guy I know who goes around acting like Russia is a halfway decent place, and he's an poop hole.
Since when isn't it...?
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: PsychoYoshi on June 16, 2010, 12:07:38 PM
These are more my thoughts about prejudice in general, but as racism is one major form, well...

To quote a classical musical by the name of Avenue Q:

Everyone's a little bit racist, it's true
But everyone is just about as racist as you
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit
And everyone stopped being so PC
Maybe we could live in harmony

Racism is endemic to humanity much in the same way that eating and sleeping are. Any time that we encounter someone different than we are, we feel the need to compare ourselves to the other person--race is frequently used because it's instantly noticeable and doesn't require having to get to know another person. You might say that it's partially a biological instinct--organisms generally want to protect their own kin so that their genes are the ones being passed on, and everyone else either wants to eat you, should be eaten, or is a competitor for the same resources.

We, as much as we think of ourselves as advanced and civilized, are really those same Stone Age cavemen--all that's advanced is our culture (and some Romantics would say that tribal culture is preferable to modern culture) and technology. Everyone has these basic drives to "protect like" ingrained in their personality somewhere, the only difference is what we choose to do with them. Anyone who calls him or herself "not racist" immediately flags as suspect in my book.

So, what can be done about it?
1) People need to step outside of their comfort zones and have frank discussions with people from different groups, because it will ultimately help them realize that not all blacks talk in ebonics and listen to rap music, and not all gay people talk with lisps and listen to show tunes.

2) Society as a whole needs to stop the rampant censorship and political correctness associated with racial/religious/sexual/etc. grouping. I'm tired of the ridiculous double-standard whereby it's perfectly OK for blacks to use "n_gger" and for homosexuals to use "fag", but totally inappropriate for anyone outside those groups. I'm probably going to raise a few eyebrows here, but let people say "n_gger", "spic", "raghead", "dyke", "faggot", and other slurs as much as they want. Words aren't actions; they don't have the power to physically harm anyone. People can make the argument that they can be traumatizing, but ultimately it's the person on the receiving end who decides whether or not to be affected.

I went to a funeral picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church to help counter-protest, and I got called "fag" a couple times by the bigots. Perhaps I should've sat down right there and moped around because someone called me a bad word? No. Using these slurs makes you sound like an idiot, which is precisely why I'm against censorship--slurs will undermine the positions of these people and cause them to lose any sympathy that they garner from the mainstream public.

3) At the same time, sane people should know what these slurs have weight and shouldn't use them in educated conversation. If someone wants to use one jokingly in private towards a person that they know isn't going to be bugged and if they accept all responsibility for the word's usage, more power to them. However, people shouldn't be going out their way to light fires merely for the sake of lighting fires.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: Red on June 15, 2010, 06:41:55 PM
Since when isn't it...?
1917
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 16, 2010, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 12:12:16 PM
1917
Russia isn't communist any more. -_-

But back on topic, I agree with PY. He put it very well.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 02:14:47 PM
Shows what you know.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 16, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
...It's not. It hasn't for a while. Am I missing something? Or do you think because Putin is semi-totalitarian, that means it's communist?
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 02:40:34 PM
It's all the same thing, and even if you don't think it's communist you can't say it's a decent place to live in. Would you want to live there? But I don't feel like arguing anymore after that weed thread so all I can say is that you're wrong.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 16, 2010, 02:47:16 PM
Well, this is my last post here. Yes, actually. I would want to live there. My guitar teacher visits there regularly, and from what I can tell, it's a nice place. Certainty better than America, in our current state. But I digress, this isn't what this thread is about.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 02:49:50 PM
Well then I guess that makes you a moron, a communist, and quite possibly a hippie.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Zero on June 16, 2010, 03:38:40 PM
Their economy isn't better than ours lol, we're actually coming out of our recession and have been for more than a year. Our media just exaggerates and endlessly covers topics that they don't understand(See: CNN or FOX)

I'm not going to say that Russia is a poopty place to live in, because I haven't lived there, but I will say again that their GDP is and has been significantly lower than ours for a few hundred years running, lol. When I say significantly, its not just a large margin, it's a huge intercourse ing margin. We out produce the intercourse  out of the Russians, and even during our recession our economy was more stable than the majority of the world's economy. Hell, because our economy reached a trough in the business cycle the rest of the world suffered.

You always hear Americans talk about how awesome it'd be to live in another country because "America" sucks, but truth be told America doesn't suck. There's no other place I'd rather live, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to visit other countries. Which brings me to my views that are on-topic:

PY, I instantly thought of that Avenue Q song when I saw this thread. It's nice that someone else thought of it too. It really is true, everyone is a little bit racist. The problem is when it gets taken too far. Sure most Cubans will try to haggle with you regardless of you explaining that in America's retail, we don't haggle, and sure there are more blacks in jail than whites, but that doesn't mean all Cubans are cheapskates or all blacks are criminals. Other countries say America is the most racist country in the world, but try being white in northern Africa or in the middle east. I doubt it'd go over very well. At least we as a society frown on killing. In some of those societies killing is alright in the name of Allah or your leader or whatever. It's hell in north Africa, constant civil war and what not.

Compared to those places, America is paradise.



Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 03:43:50 PM
Yeah, France was fun to visit and I'd probably go again as long as Iceland watches its volcanoes, but I wouldn't want to live there. You can't even get a quarter pounder with cheese there.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Rius on June 16, 2010, 05:10:49 PM
I want to establish the context of my post first. Stereotyping is when one thinks certain traits of an individual are inherent in others with a matching trait. Prejudice is when a certain trait affects your feelings towards a 'group' of people. Discrimination is when a certain attribute affects your actions towards a 'group' of people.


I'm quite comfortable with the fact that I'm racist; the human race is pathetic. I'm kidding, but that pretty much sums up my feelings on race; we're the same species, so we're the same race. Of course I recognize that there are certain... subcultures in the race, but I think these help define humanity as a whole. Yes, I stereotype, have prejudices, and discriminate, but I have no problem with that. I'm more likely to try to befriend the guy wearing the choker and Mickey Mouse shirt than the guy wearing the chains with his pants sagging. Unfortunately, my ability to read minds is merely 13% accurate, so I have to make decisions based on what a person wears or how they speak to determine initially whether they're my type of person or not. Based on his choker and Mickey Mouse shirt, I stereotype that he may like other things I like; thus, I have a prejudice toward the Mickey Mouse guy, since I feel he's a better person as I place myself on this insurmountable platform, and if he's like me, he's a better person. Of course, the discrimination occurs when I choose to become friends with Mickey Mouse guy instead of chains guy. Unfortunately, Mickey Mouse guy turns out to be psychotic horseslayer, but meh. I aim to discriminate on an individual basis, but it's hard when you don't know a person yet.

There's a reason people discriminate; it betters our chances for survival. People may not realize it, but we're naturally prejudiced towards certain things, such as healthy-looking mates and individuals of affluence. Also, as PY said, we're fearful creatures and when something is different, we hold aversions to it. Maybe at one time it made vital natural significance to be racist, not the hatefulness and sheer ignorance commonly seen today. However, I think we've progressed to the point where we realize an individual of dark skin tone merely can take sunlight better. And play basketball, apparently.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: JrDude on June 16, 2010, 05:56:36 PM
Less serious, in fact, not serious at all, but since race and human was brought up it reminded me of something I feel like pointing out.

In cartoons and crap, have you noticed that all aliens are the same race? by that I mean color, and I don't mean the ones that look 90% like humans, I mean the green ones and whatnot. They are always the same color, on mars or something, they find green men, but never a different color, never a blue, or dark green, or yellow or whatever, always the same shade of the same color. Anyone find that odd? In Futurama, you will find many aliens shown on the show, but the same species is always the same color (except the ones that look like humans with minor differences), Kif, we've seen many of his species, yet none are blue, none are dark green, they're all that same lime green color. Why?
Though I guess I should mention, sometimes a different shade is used on some species, but that is usually on a different age, like Zoidberg's uncle, an old man, different shade made him look older, but I'm sure if it showed him young, he'd be the exact same color as Zoidberg.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Shujinco2 on June 16, 2010, 06:04:38 PM
Quote from: Lelouch on June 12, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
So, how tolerant are you?

And are you racist about anything? Pretty basic topic

I am very racist, I go off of my personal experiences since experience is the best teacher.

And I am tolerant about very little things.
This. I completely understand that one human is just as good as another, unless they did something outstanding or horrible.

But I also understand that certain "coincidences" exist within race as well. For example, I have noticed that black people generally seem to be more rude than most other races. It's not because they are black, or maybe it is, but it seems to be THEM that are the rude ones most of the time.

White people seem better at lying than any other race. I know this because I am an excellent liar, as are all of my white friends, and my white enemies.

And it seems sad BECAUSE it's easily avoidable. It's not like it's uncontrollable. Being rude as intercourse  is not a genetic thing that DEFINES you and you're stuck with. It's easily manageable.

And of course, not all black people are rude (I know many great black people.), and not all whiteys are liars (I know some decently honest ones), and other stereotypes like that. I know it's not the entire race. Those traits just seem to pop up in those races more often than others.

At least, by my experience....
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Rius on June 16, 2010, 06:18:10 PM
Actually Jr Dude, that reminds me of something I read somewhere about the future of the human race. Based on what people consider attractive and who reproduces with who, in the future humans will be subdivided into two races: a "superior" race of intelligent, tall, attractive humans and an "inferior" race of what's left. Humans would also all possess the same skin tone, with maybe the superiors being fairer than the inferiors. Maybe that explains aliens.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 06:31:31 PM
That sounds like a combination of the Time Machine and the Mexican episode of South Park.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: RX-78-2 on June 16, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 13, 2010, 12:45:18 AM
Everyone is racist though. As long as you label someone as a race, you are racist, until everyone is not considered a race to your eyes, you are racist. There are kids who are not racist, but once they realize "oshi, he's brown and I'm peach," then they're racist.
I have to disagree with this. In fact, this is just outright incorrect. You're trying to get racists on a technicality--and I think I understand where you're coming from--but this is why you're mistaken.

The definition of racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. It's not merely the labeling of a person by race; labeling is too strong of a word anyway, and in this context, it carries negative connotation. "Recognizing" would be a more appropriate word. The fact that people can recognize each other by race doesn't mean that they're racist.




I'm not racist at all and I'm completely tolerant of everything that isn't humanely wrong (e.g. terrorism of all kinds). I do make many racist jokes, but I mean no harm.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: JrDude on June 16, 2010, 10:18:28 PM
Oh, also, a racist confession, for some reason, I wouldn't ever date a black girl. Why? I don't know to be honest, I find many cute and attractive, but for some reason I've never felt like "oh I'd tap that" or something (you know the guy mind [oh look, sexist]) towards a black girl, most other races, if not all, I've thought that way towards one (maybe not exactly "I'd tap that," but you know what I mean), but never a black one, I'm racist against my will. Many other guys I know have told me this before I even told them, so I know it's not very uncommon.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 17, 2010, 07:35:41 AM
Quote from: Zero on June 16, 2010, 03:38:40 PM
Their economy isn't better than ours lol, we're actually coming out of our recession and have been for more than a year. Our media just exaggerates and endlessly covers topics that they don't understand(See: CNN or FOX)

Erm, I wasn't really talking about the economy. I guess I should have made it more clear. I was actually talking about the fact that we haven't had a good President in years. Putin may be totalitarian but at least he actually gives a poop about the Russian people. Unlike Bush/Obama. And while I did say it was "better than America in our current state." doesn't mean I'd live there over America. My entire point from the beginning was, although living in Russia wouldn't be as good as America, it's not bad. It's not this big Communist state that terrorizes it's population anymore. And by saying "I would want to live there" was under the stipulation that I couldn't live in America. I should have made that more clear as well.

tl;dr Russia isn't better than America, but it's not this big monster we should avoid the rest of our lives.
__________________________________________________________________

So anyway, I really don't know what to add to this on topic discussion, but I do want to say I agree with TF.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 17, 2010, 08:44:05 AM
Uh, the USSR was never really communist, more a form of totalitarianism. So basically Russia now is like the USSR, but less powerful and therefore even suckier. Some people just don't know how fortunate they are and go around saying dumb stuff like Russia isn't leagues below America.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 17, 2010, 09:11:21 AM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 17, 2010, 08:44:05 AM
Uh, the USSR was never really communist, more a form of totalitarianism. So basically Russia now is like the USSR, but less powerful and therefore even suckier. Some people just don't know how fortunate they are and go around saying dumb stuff like Russia isn't leagues below America.
That's true about the USSR. But you have to understand, just because Putin is totalitarian doesn't mean that Russia is. It's similar to if America elected a Communist President. He's communist, but until he actually gets legislation and poop done, America isn't. Same goes with Putin and Russia.

And no poop America is leagues above Russia. We're leagues above every country. But it's not like living in Russia is like living in hell. From my understanding, of people who actually lived in Russia post 1993 living in Russia is similar to living in any other European country. Not as good as America, but it's on par with Italy and whatnot.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 17, 2010, 09:32:21 AM
Eh, it's not nearly as good as most Western European countries or Japan and Korea, but it is a definite step up from China. And if America elected a communist president, the Earth would act like the house in Poltergeist and collapse on itself.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Red on June 17, 2010, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 17, 2010, 09:32:21 AM
Eh, it's not nearly as good as most Western European countries or Japan and Korea, but it is a definite step up from China. And if America elected a communist president, the Earth would act like the house in Poltergeist and collapse on itself.
My point exactly. I wouldn't put in on par with England or France, but it's definitely not as bad as some other countries. (China, North Korea, etc.)
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: RX-78-2 on June 17, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 16, 2010, 10:18:28 PM
Oh, also, a racist confession, for some reason, I wouldn't ever date a black girl. Why? I don't know to be honest, I find many cute and attractive, but for some reason I've never felt like "oh I'd tap that" or something (you know the guy mind [oh look, sexist]) towards a black girl, most other races, if not all, I've thought that way towards one (maybe not exactly "I'd tap that," but you know what I mean), but never a black one, I'm racist against my will. Many other guys I know have told me this before I even told them, so I know it's not very uncommon.
Again, it's not racism, it's just a personal preference. The same goes for obese people. I don't know about you, but I would rather not date one of them, much less "tap" one. You feel the same way about black girls; you'd just rather not date one.

If you answer this question, it'll definitely determine whether you are racist or not in the case of Africans in general (including African Americans). It's a simple one, but it'll easily reveal a lot--especially if you explain yourself: Do you believe that the African race is in any way inferior to any other race (not limited your own)?

I quote you a lot, don't I?

Quote from: Red on June 17, 2010, 07:35:41 AM
I do want to say I agree with TF.
Why thank you, good sir.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: JrDude on June 17, 2010, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: RX-78-2 on June 17, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
Again, it's not racism, it's just a personal preference. The same goes for obese people. I don't know about you, but I would rather not date one of them, much less "tap" one. You feel the same way about black girls; you'd just rather not date one.

If you answer this question, it'll definitely determine whether you are racist or not in the case of Africans in general (including African Americans). It's a simple one, but it'll easily reveal a lot--especially if you explain yourself: Do you believe that the African race is in any way inferior to any other race (not limited your own)?

I quote you a lot, don't I?
So, for dating, I prefer every race over the black race? That sounds racist to me...
Oh, and I'd date a black chick several hundred times before I dated a fat chick.

And to that question you asked, no I do not.

And to your small letters, you actually don't, you just have a lot lately.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: tibar21 on June 18, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
how would you know if russia was a poopty place? have you ever been there yourself?
i hate it when american nationalists go around acting as if america is the only place on earth that doesn't suck. yeah, the Russian people are oppressed, but there are Americans that are too.

To me, racism is viewing another race as inferior, which i don't do at all. Stereotyping is wrong but its not necessarily racist to stereotype.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Jayat on June 18, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 18, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
how would you know if Russia was a poopty place? have you ever been there yourself?
i hate it when American nationalists go around acting as if America is the only place on earth that doesn't suck. yeah, the Russian people are oppressed, but there are Americans that are too.

To me, racism is viewing another race as inferior, which i don't do at all. Stereotyping is wrong but its not necessarily racist to stereotype.
I couldn't have said it better my self
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 18, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
Nik, once again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. I think we've made it clear here that America isn't the only place that's good. If you were to compare countries to Smash Bros, America would be Meta Knight. There are still other countries that are good, just no where near as good. Places like Germany, Canada, and the UK would be like Diddy Kong, Marth, and Falco. Russia would be someone really bad like Samus, but not quite as bad as China, North Korea, or some of them African countries which would be Ganondorf.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Jayat on June 18, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 18, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
Nik, once again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. I think we've made it clear here that America isn't the only place that's good. If you were to compare countries to Smash Bros, America would be Meta Knight. There are still other countries that are good, just no where near as good. Places like Germany, Canada, and the UK would be like Diddy Kong, Marth, and Falco. Russia would be someone really bad like Samus, but not quite as bad as China, North Korea, or some of them African countries which would be Ganondorf.
Wrong,Wrong,Wrong every thing you said is wrong the words you said can really heart someones pride and I don't like having my pride be challenged. America  is in a intercourse ing recession how in the hell is the richest countries in the world the poorest. It's no better then any other countries
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Chrona on June 18, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 18, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
Nik, once again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. I think we've made it clear here that America isn't the only place that's good. If you were to compare countries to Smash Bros, America would be Meta Knight. There are still other countries that are good, just no where near as good. Places like Germany, Canada, and the UK would be like Diddy Kong, Marth, and Falco. Russia would be someone really bad like Samus, but not quite as bad as China, North Korea, or some of them African countries which would be Ganondorf.
...I think it's all opinionated...and you shouldn't argue with someone's opinion...it's a waste of time...I think..
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 18, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
Quote from: Jayat on June 18, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
Wrong,Wrong,Wrong every thing you said is wrong the words you said can really heart someones pride and I don't like having my pride be challenged. America  is in a intercourse ing recession how in the hell is the richest countries in the world the poorest. It's no better then any other countries
Except you're wrong thar. We're barely even in a recession anymore, and even in one we still remain the most influential country in the world. As Americans we also have the best rights and the most freedoms the world can offer. There's a reason so many people immigrate to America, because they want to get in on the awesome. America isn't perfect of course, but it's the closest you can get.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: JrDude on June 19, 2010, 02:41:19 AM
When it comes to better and worse, it all depends on what you're running from or looking for.
I felt like USA was a poopty place to live for like 5 minutes after watching a movie thingamabob, because everything for health was cheap or free in the other places. It seemed everyone in the video had the same opinions as my temporary opinion, but that's 'cause they were focusing on that subject, Health Care, if they payed attention to other things it would likely change their mind, but they weren't.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: tibar21 on June 19, 2010, 09:10:38 AM
nice smash bros analogy but i think russia would be somewhere in the D or E tier like Wolf. the middle eastern countries and anarchic African countries would take the F and the Zelda tiers.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Rius on June 19, 2010, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 18, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
Except you're wrong thar. We're barely even in a recession anymore, and even in one we still remain the most influential country in the world. As Americans we also have the best rights and the most freedoms the world can offer. There's a reason so many people immigrate to America, because they want to get in on the awesome. America isn't perfect of course, but it's the closest you can get.
We're still in quite a recession, though we're better off than we were a year ago. Anyway, our "best rights and most freedoms" is highly subjective to one's own opinions and what rights you're talking about. Yeah, America is pretty top notch when it comes to political and economic rights and freedoms, but it's behind other Western nations in social rights and freedoms (and I have no reservations in blaming social conservatives and fundamentalists for this). Since social freedom is a greater priority to me than say economic freedom, I'm more likely to consider the UK the better country than the US.

Regardless, America is still the foyer land of economic opportunity, which is commonly associated with happiness, thus its popularity with immigrants. We are far from perfect, especially since a Utopian society would be more akin to traditional communism, but if you're well-to-do, this is one of the better countries to live in. As for best country in to live in, based on the HDI and happiness, I would surmise... Canada. Wait, what the hell?
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Jayat on June 19, 2010, 10:04:15 AM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 18, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
Except you're wrong thar. We're barely even in a recession anymore, and even in one we still remain the most influential country in the world. As Americans we also have the best rights and the most freedoms the world can offer. There's a reason so many people immigrate to America, because they want to get in on the awesome. America isn't perfect of course, but it's the closest you can get.
Wrong again Japan is in a better state then we are.Why? Because they are more economically involved and there still having sex.If japan didn't have so many people they would be the richest contry in the world and I checked Japanese stocks all the time
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 19, 2010, 10:42:56 AM
Yeah, utopian societies suck. But hey, if communism and that kind of stuff is your kind of thing, maybe the UK or Japan would be better. And like Rius said the whole thing is very subjective. But when you throw personal opinion and bias out the window, America is pretty much the best in every sense of the word. We're the only superpower left after all, and we didn't need to destroy all sense of rights like the USSR to get there. The USA is pretty much a master of all trades. Also you've got to keep in mind that America is a huge country, the biggest population wise after China and India. You're going to have a lot of really poor people by default, and compared to India and China I'd say we're doing pretty darn well. Things that work for smaller countries like Canada don't work in a place as large as the US of A.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Chrona on June 19, 2010, 11:25:09 AM
..I thought everyone here were friends.....it was a lot nicer the last time I was here...

Everyone should stop arguing..
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: tibar21 on June 19, 2010, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 19, 2010, 10:42:56 AM
Also you've got to keep in mind that America is a huge country, the biggest population wise after China and India. You're going to have a lot of really poor people by default, and compared to India and China I'd say we're doing pretty darn well. Things that work for smaller countries like Canada don't work in a place as large as the US of A.
I agree. The US is the best place to live in because it does a pretty good job protecting its citizens and their rights.
The main thing that comes to my mind that other countries beat the US at is education. I prefer it that way though. Last I checked, Chinese kids go to school almost every day, i assume thats mostly why their economy is as good as it is. I'm glad that the US doesn't resort to that, because thats just a poopty life.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Jayat on June 19, 2010, 08:28:12 PM
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Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Mikoyan on June 20, 2010, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: Nik on June 19, 2010, 03:35:25 PM
I agree. The US is the best place to live in because it does a pretty good job protecting its citizens and their rights.
The main thing that comes to my mind that other countries beat the US at is education. I prefer it that way though. Last I checked, Chinese kids go to school almost every day, i assume thats mostly why their economy is as good as it is. I'm glad that the US doesn't resort to that, because thats just a poopty life.
The Chinese economy is growing because more first-world nations are investing in it, and many companies (like Foxconn) usually sacrifice the welfare of the workers in order to sustain increased production and profits. Education may be a part of it, but China's catering to Western materialism tops the chart.

Also, we don't have a bad education system because others go to school all the time. Last time I checked, British, French, German, and Canadian kids all had the summer off. There's faults on both sides of the spectrum. Especially in California, incompetent teachers continually get protection from unions, and getting rid of a tenured teacher is always time consuming and difficult ($100,000 in court fees alone). And don't even get me started about what's happening in Texas.

A somewhat common perception of teenagers (I am trying my best not to generalize) is that what they receive in life is what they get, thus limiting their desire to learn and become "smart." On that note, I get the assumption based on the 2008 election that the public has a slight distaste for intelligence (Palin as the common man woman and Obama as a silver spoon Harvard grad).

In terms of education, let's face it - teachers are essentially trained to spoon-feed us information and test our comprehension of it. For example, in Japan, students in a math class were asked to devise ways to obtain the area of a triangle. The teacher judged all of their techniques, analyzed them, and gave them the correct way and told them why. In the US, the teacher would simply tell them ".5bh" and be done with it all, not allowing students to express creativity and try to do something new.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Cornwad on June 20, 2010, 01:14:53 PM
I distinctly remember reading an essay by a Japanese person about why the Japanese school system is horrific and is practically broken to what people have in other places, but I forget the details. I do agree about China being only good for whoring itself out to other countries though.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Chrona on June 20, 2010, 05:24:16 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on June 20, 2010, 01:14:53 PM
I distinctly remember reading an essay by a Japanese person about why the Japanese school system is horrific and is practically broken to what people have in other places, but I forget the details. I do agree about China being only good for whoring itself out to other countries though.
..The schools in Japan are fine...
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: PsychoYoshi on June 20, 2010, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Jayat on June 19, 2010, 10:04:15 AM
Wrong again Japan is in a better state then we are.Why? Because they are more economically involved and there still having sex.If japan didn't have so many people they would be the richest contry in the world and I checked Japanese stocks all the time

...hahahahaha. Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? Let the guy with the degree in modern Japanese history tell you how the situation actually is.

Japan's been in a recession since the mid 1990s, started to pull out in the mid 2000s, and then immediately fell back in again after the US economy tanked. Stocks are hardly the only indicator of the economy. For a prime example, just look at the US right now, where the Dow is generally beginning to recover while unemployment is as high as it has ever been outside of the Great Depression. Japan's birth rate is among the lowest in the industrialized world, and its population is projected to decline in the next century. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan)

Quote from: Cornwad on June 20, 2010, 01:14:53 PM
I distinctly remember reading an essay by a Japanese person about why the Japanese school system is horrific and is practically broken to what people have in other places, but I forget the details. I do agree about China being only good for whoring itself out to other countries though.

Better in some ways, worse in others. Japanese junior highs and high schools are segregated based on how academically gifted students are. There are certain schools that you want to get into and others that you don't, because ultimately getting into a good undergrad program in Japan is immensely competitive, and the teachers and administrators at the "good" junior highs/high schools are the best at preparing students for college entrance exams and schmoozing with college officials. It's a good system for the brilliant kids who can breeze through everything with no effort, a good one for the dumber ones because their high schools usually aren't incredibly rigorous, and a hellish one for the "sharp-but-not-brilliant" kids who can get As, but need to spend ridiculous amounts of time at cram schools to ensure they'll do well on the entrance exams, which make our SATs/ACTs look like complete jokes.

Japanese students tend to perform very well at math and science because they're courses that are conducive to rote memorization, which is a favorite at Japanese schools. The nice thing about the American system is that there are often plenty of electives, and administrators tend to be more lenient about the way teachers educate students. The Japanese system is very rigid, and there aren't many opportunities for electives or alternative learning methods. Students are expected to adapt to the system, not the other way around. Japanese students also get comparatively little exposure to history or other humanities because of the massive amount of time required for learning kanji and the complexities of Japanese language.

All of this is primarily because big companies recruit kids immediately once they graduate college, and they often work there for the rest of their lives. Very, very few Japanese people complete master's degrees, even fewer do PhDs.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: RX-78-2 on June 21, 2010, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 17, 2010, 09:28:29 PM
So, for dating, I prefer every race over the black race? That sounds racist to me...
Oh, and I'd date a black chick several hundred times before I dated a fat chick.

And to that question you asked, no I do not.

And to your small letters, you actually don't, you just have a lot lately.
I didn't say it; you did. In fact, judging by the ending punctuation of your sentence, you asked it. In any case, whether or not you're admitting to "prefer[ring] every race over the black race" in the case of dating doesn't determine whether or not you're racist. It's dating--not prejudiced treatment. You answered "no" to my question, so therefore, you're not racist.

Also, I do quote you a lot if I've been doing it lately. Although I don't use them often, it was a rhetorical question.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: ThePowerOfOne on June 23, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
I am the most tolerant person ever. I don't care if you are gay, lesbian, tranny, bi, black, white, hispanic, asian, whatever. I have never been any different to a person because of their sexual orientation, race, or sex. Really, I think that's how everyone should be, I don't know why there would be anyone who isn't.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: RX-78-2 on June 23, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: Phaze on June 23, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
I am the most tolerant person ever. I don't care if you are gay, lesbian, tranny, bi, black, white, hispanic, asian, whatever. I have never been any different to a person because of their sexual orientation, race, or sex. Really, I think that's how everyone should be, I don't know why there would be anyone who isn't.
This. For the most part, I think racists, sexists, etc. are just brainwashed/compelled to be that way by others, similar to what Hitler and the Nazis did to recruit people. The first racists of a group or whatever probably just use the "inferiors" as a scapegoat or something.
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: arachnid on June 30, 2010, 08:18:45 AM
Quote from: Lelouch on June 12, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
So, how tolerant are you?

And are you racist about anything? Pretty basic topic

I am very racist, I go off of my personal experiences since experience is the best teacher.

And I am tolerant about very little things.

Here is something you would never expect me to sat lelouch.... Fuck you..... (hand held to ear to see if I can hear your reaction through my computer)
Title: Re: Tolerance and Racism.
Post by: Zero on June 30, 2010, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: arachnid on June 30, 2010, 08:18:45 AM
Here is something you would never expect me to sat lelouch.... Fuck you..... (hand held to ear to see if I can hear your reaction through my computer)

He left

Regardless, why the intercourse  would type out what is in bold?